SocraticGadfly: Green Party nutter William Pounds dives deeper in the shitpile (again)

April 07, 2021

Green Party nutter William Pounds dives deeper in the shitpile (again)

First, he's trying to get himself elected governor of Aridzona. (Again, per the "again" in the header, and the bottom of the page.) I originally thought he doesn't look old enough to meet the likely minimum age. Weirdly, it's just 25. Weirdly and stupidly. Seeing John Mason, with home I've also "interacted," or tangled, before, as his campaign manager only adds to the laughs factor.

Second, per the link (to which I gave a no-follow) he's trying to do so via starting one of these "Independent Green Party" bs groups, riffing on the lying butthurtness of Dario Hunter, rather than within the existing Arizona Green Party

Third, also per that top link, he wants to use this as a vehicle to get Jesse THE BODY (Pounds HATES that) Ventura nominated as prez, along with officially declared capital-L Libertarian (since 2018) Cynthia McKinney as his veep. This is the same Jesse who himself got butthurt when he couldn't get the GP nomination handed to him on a platter. (That didn't stop some of his backers from trying to use Hunter as a stalking horse at the 2020 GOP convention.) This is also the same Jesse who, in 2016,  first lied and then crapped in the Libertarian Party bed, ensuring he'll never get nominated for even dogcatcher there.

Per a follow-up to that original post about Hunter, with comment by Brandy Baker, I can only see Pounds as an assclown.
 
I noted McKinney as official Libertarian in my post about the Alaska GP being deaffiliated. (Side note: Just as the original "domino theory" was a conspiracy theory, IMO, so is the claim that "trans activists" are dominoing Rhode Island and Alaska into the Georgia GP. That said, Pounds is surely working to vacuum up the Alaska disaffiliated.)

Fourth, his own butthurtness rejoices in Peter and Leela Daou not getting a consulting contract with GP national. Why he capitalizes half of Howie Hawkins' last name I have no fucking idea and no real desire to learn. Why he thinks Howie is the "deep state" as well as ecosocialist, I don't know and don't care to learn either.

The two bullshits together explain why he'd like a Libertarian as Veep and  Libertarian-flirter before killing his relationship with them as Prez on the nominations. (So, too, does his LinkedIn, which shows he's done freelance writing for the website of Lib-tard Ron Paul.) Of course, that presumes his independent party even gets on the ballot in Aridzona.

I blocked him on Hucksterman over this Jesse bullshit last year. May have blocked him on Twitter as well, or maybe he's on Gab or something now.

Hey, Pounds? Kyrsten Sinema left the Aridzona Greens to become a Democrat. Why don't you at least have that same level of honesty and become a fucking Libertarian?

And, seeing him as ultimately being a Libertarian, and yes, Pounds, that's exclusive from being a Green, he's not only an assclown, he's an agent provocateur.

As for Greens fearing ecosocialism? Again, I joined the GP (as a volunteer and voter) seeing it as a party of the left as well as an environmentalist party. I think your fears, let alone terrors, over socialism are ... ridiculous. Of course, in many cases, this may be walking hand in hand with an over-interpretation of the "decentralization" plank of the key values, the same thinking that leads to "paper" state parties.

As for Pounds' schadenfreude? It's sad. The Daous would have brought some new insight and help to the party. The GP seems bent on self-destructiveness.

And, all of this, plus the reminders of GP Facebook group censorship and more, is yet another reason I'm not a Green.

Oh, finally, let's not forget that both Ventura and McKinney are conspiracy theorists and there's no way I'd vote for either. (Jesse is mainly just a 9/11 falser; McKinney is full of all sorts of shit.) And, per his LinkedIn, Pounds is himself a junior conspiracy theorist in the budding.

And, yet other reasons I'm no longer officially a Green are that the party's National Committee doesn't seem to give a fuck, or else thinks it can sweep things under the rug. No mention of the Rhode Island and Alaska party disaffiliations. No mention of efforts like Pounds'.
 
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Update, Nov. 25, 2025:
 
Since Pounds saw fit to come by here? First, note the paragraph above. I said I'm no longer a Green.
 
Second, since I noted Ventura and McKinney are conspiracy theorists, so is "Dr. Shiva," specifically, antivaxxer variety, with whose campaign he was associated in 2024, per Ballotpedia. THAT guy — the one who claimed to have invented email and who was and is not eligible to be elected. (He's already talking about a 2028 run.)
 
Per Monty Python, come back again and I will taunt you a second time. 
 
That said, per his Substack, Pounds is also histrionic, or has some other mental health issues:
I had recently suffered a personal crisis after losing the Green Party primary to Howie Hawkins—a rigged contest if there ever was one.
Really? First, it wasn't rigged. Stop lying. Since I moderate comments, you can't lie here.
 
And third, you didn't "lose." You didn't get a single delegate, period
 
Second, to the point? Really? You were having a personal crisis about what, not even getting a delegate in a third-party presidential campaign that whomever it nominated, had less than a snowball's chance of election? Get a grip; smell the coffee; wake up and smell the roses.
 
Per his Substack feed, yes, he's not even close to a leftist, and the "not left, not right"? Standard Libertarian rhetoric.  You're the Libertarian Rainier Shea, but rather than from The People's Republic of Humboldt County, you're from the FreeDumb State Project of Aridzona or whatever.
 
Monging of conspiracy theories and slinging of untruths having failed, and his reading comprehension still having not improved, Pounds has moved to name-calling, but without my level of snark.
 
I had earlier compared Pounds to Rainier Shea; on further insight, in terms of cult level, he and his love affair for McKinney strike as being like Cort Greene and the Socialist Workers Party. That's in part because, while Shea has never dropped by here after a call-out of him (untagged, just like with Pounds, and with Greene), Greene did repeatedly, even after, like Pounds, I stopped posting his comments. Even that comparison falls short, as Greene came around at the time, not four years later.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

So you start with ageist clap-trap about how apparently only older people should be able to participate in politics. Pretty shit-take for a supposed "leftist."

Then you gate-keep with political party bullshit about how apparently only the "real Greens" should be allowed to be a party, when it's pretty apparent to anyone with two brain-cells to rub together that the Greens have been totally ineffectual and compromised.

Krysten Sellout is the perfect example of how thoroughly compromised the current Green party is. So I cheer on anyone breaking away from that dead-end party which has never successfully put someone in the House or Senate, and has consistently under-performed in Presidential elections when over 50% of the U.S. population is literally DYING to see a third party rise up.

If you're officially a "Green" for the reasons you've listed, you're not only not a leftist, you're a neo-lib just waiting to fall in line behind the likes of Thirsten For $$$ Sinema.

Gadfly said...

That's your one comment until I see a URL identifying who you are other than a Pounds cultist.

Since Pounds himself IS a Libertarian (yes, IMO, capital L not just small) and is NOT NOT NOT a leftist, your use of that word in scare quotes about me is laughable.

Pounds AND Sinema are the perfect examples of how compromised the Green Party is. You probably are, too.

The idea that I like her is laughable.

Again, you've had your one comment.

Zacherydtaylor said...

Pounds is an obvious clown, but he's net a sincere member of the Green Party. He's clearly trying to troll them doing more harm than good.

But, to be honest with you, you're not making a much better case.

Gadfly said...

I think I've made a good enough case. Since I've blocked him on Hucksterman, I can't see his comments in that Independent-Green group there, but I've seen replies to him, which help me feel comfortable I've made a good enough case.

Also, claiming Hawkins is a member of the Deep State, etc.? No, Pounds is more than a troll; he's a believer.

And, if he were sincere, he wouldn't be starting independent "green" parties in the first place.

William Pounds said...

Every time I revisit that hit piece, I have to wonder: is this the best the Zionist-adjacent “gatekeeper left” can manage? The same illiteracy, the same smug authoritarian energy, the same refusal to grapple with their own record. I nominated a Gaza Blockade Breaker for VP in 2020—Cynthia McKinney, someone who literally put her life on the line against the siege. And what did the Green Party do? Folded like a cheap tent under pressure, paralyzed by its own Zionist baggage.

It’s 2024–25 now, and suddenly their past choices are politically inconvenient for them. Tough. I don’t forget. I don’t rewrite history. And I don’t pretend that the people who sabotaged integrity back then are somehow the moral conscience of the movement today.

Me? I’m not a “leftist” or a rightist. I’m in the lineage of Petra Kelly—the first Green—someone who understood that conscience comes before faction, and that movements die the moment they surrender to geopolitical bullies. I’m looking forward, not backward, and I’m not carrying water for anyone’s ideological tribe—least of all those who couldn’t show one ounce of the integrity Cynthia showed on the Mediterranean.

Gadfly said...

I'm no longer a Green myself, if you'll read through who I voted for in 2024. Hint: Because I AM a leftist, it was to the left of the Greens.
And, if the worst you can do is call me "Zionist-adjacent," that's weak. Petra Kelly? German Green of the German Green Party that is now both Zionist and Uki-tankie? Got it.
As for McKinney, plenty of other people have sailed on flotillas past and present.

William Pounds said...

"plenty of other people have sailed on flotillas"

Have you? And in 2009 when Israel had more power than now? I'm going to run the blockade on Dr. McKinney's third attempt. The German Green Party was not Zionist. Petra Kelly and ex-NATO General Gert Bastian were murdered by NATO for seeking peace. You know nothing about Green history to be calling me a capital L Libertarian.

Gadfly said...

First, a reminder, that I moderate comments here and if I want the last word, I'll have it.

Second, I don't know about the German Greens of the 1990s, but today's ARE both Zionist and Uki-tankie. On Israel, they've been called out by MANY organizations like Electronic Intifada. And "insiders." Maybe YOU need to learn.

Third, since I've written about GPUS vs GPUSA and other things, and first voted Green when you were still a pre-teen, and have been to Texas state conventions proves you wrong on my knowledge level.

Fourth, I'll stand by the L-word.

Fifth, the "have you"? That part isn't about me. It's whether McKinney is special vs other people in general.

Sixth, as would be very, very clear if you read through my site, we don't do conspiracy theories here.

William Pounds said...

You talk like authority is a virtue, and I talk like liberty is a birthright—that’s the difference between us. I don’t hide my contempt for systems that demand obedience, nor do I pretend that defending official narratives is some kind of moral high ground like you.

McKinney didn’t just protest the blockade, didn't just run it—she broke it. She put her body on the line while you police discourse from behind a screen, fast to cry “antisemitism” anytime someone challenges the official line, god forbid an authoritarian question authority. That contrast speaks for itself. Compared to *you*, you in particular, McKinney is indeed, very special.

Your age or status doesn’t make your worldview any less captive to the narratives pushed by the Hawkins/Russiagate crowd or their German Green counterparts. Authoritarians always distrust dissent; conspiracy merely means “a version of reality unsupervised by power,” and that alone is enough to unsettle the obedient. You write at way too low a grade level to come at anyone the way you do me.

Control this domain as you will—take the last word if it makes you feel victorious, that feeling will remain a lie. My point stands: your enabling of the machinery that excuses mass death is a political choice, and one I refuse to sanitize. If defending liberty makes me the problem in your eyes, that says everything about which side of power you’ve chosen.

Gadfly said...

>>You talk like authority is a virtue.<<

Really? Where? No, I talk like rationality is a virtue.

>>McKinney didn’t just protest the blockade, didn't just run it—she broke it. She put her body on the line while you police discourse from behind a screen, fast to cry “antisemitism” anytime someone challenges the official line<<

Really? The truth is I know the difference between anti-zionism and antisemitism, and as I have said before, no, it's not the IHRA definition.

Really No. 2? No, McKinney's boat was seized in 2009 just like blockade assaulting boats today. I support ALL attempts to break the blockade, but McKinney no more succeeded than Greta Thunberg.

>>My point stands: your enabling of the machinery that excuses mass death is a political choice, and one I refuse to sanitize. <<

Well, since I do know what anti-zionism is, THIS is a big-ass lie, speaking of lies.

And, yeah, we're at that point.

I've also pre-emptively blocked you on both Substack and Shitter. I believe I blocked you long ago on Hucksterman.

Gadfly said...

Enjoy sitting in the moderation/spam queue.