SocraticGadfly: Xi Jinping Thought
Showing posts with label Xi Jinping Thought. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Xi Jinping Thought. Show all posts

September 06, 2023

China, Xi, stagnation and its future; will its apologists ever stop?

Foreign Affairs explicitly calls it "Xi's Age of Stagnation." Yes, it is Beltway-type wisdom, but nonetheless, it's backed up by others.

The starting point is COVID, of course. The mishandling of what happened at Wuhan was likely exacerbated by Xi's increasingly tight semi-authoritarianism. Again, it's not just the Nat-sec Nutsacks and Cold Warriors 2.0 who say this. Less credulous precincts of the left (ie, NOT Howie Hawkins and his China minders, Margaret Flowers and the late Kevin Zeese, with more here, along with cultists like Rainier Shea and hacks for money like Max Blumenthal, or alleged but WTF not really leftists in my book like Adam Tooze) know that China blew it from early on, on COVID, whether there was a lab leak or not. (And, per Pro Publica et al, I say there is a reasonable to fairly high probably there was.)

Follow that with lockdowns whenever strains of COVID raised their heads, in fair part because Sinovax et al suck even by mRNA effectiveness standards, and neither China nor Russia developed alternatives to mRNA type shots like Novavax, Johnson & Johnson etc., and the Chinese economy stagnated indeed. Western nations being impacted by COVID and their residents cutting purchasing, followed by supply chain snafus etc., exacerbated this.

Meanwhile, by a year ago, despite Beijing's official lies by silence, likely at least 2 million had been killed.

Then, as the Foreign Affairs piece notes, Xi went Great Barrington Declaration after the mass shutdowns in Shanghai, draconian ones indeed, in summer-fall of 2022 produced protest levels (and samidzat comments) that even he couldn't ignore. Let er rip! And he did, and per the piece killed another million or so. (Given just how bad rural health care is in much of China, it was probably well over 1 million. China probably has 3.5 million, maybe 4 million, COVID deaths.)

But, despite these mistakes, The Great Virusman (I see what I did) got his third term, and luckily for him, got it before Shanghai blew up, and is on his way to being China's third leader for life or nearly so, after Mao and Deng.

From there, we get into items newish to me. That's about how Xi's Great Firewall and other thought control affect what might be considered a "middle class" in China, not just the intellectuals. But, intellectuals, especially at universities, bear the brunt of the stifling.

But, the middle class really worries about the economic fallout. Like this:

Ordinary Chinese workers have a different set of concerns, mostly relating to the economy and the pandemic. During the first quarter of 2023, China’s slowing economy barely reached the government growth target of five percent, and it achieved that level only with heavy state spending. The youth unemployment rate is over 20 percent, and many people wonder how their children will be able to get married if they cannot afford to buy an apartment. Figures for the second quarter were slightly better, but only compared with the second quarter of last year, when the economy was nearly brought to a standstill by COVID lockdowns. A variety of indicators show growing vulnerabilities in a range of sectors, and many Chinese feel they are in a recession. A group of textile manufacturers from Wenzhou in coastal Zhejiang Province told me that sales across China are down 20 percent this year, forcing them to lay off staff. They believe the economy will recover, but they also think that the go-go years are gone. “We’re in a cloudier era,” one of them said.

Oof. The piece adds that the whiplashes of full lockdowns followed by semi-complete liftings, then back again, have other psychological fallout.

Meanwhile, the stagnation means that, contra Xi's Overton window attempts to define them away, poverty and even homelessness still exist in China.

As for Xi? The piece says that Deng did (some degree of) experimentation but implicitly expresses doubt he has the personal flexibility to do similar. 

Other things? Per this book on global carbon footprints, Xi's China is still "dirty" in a lot of its manufacturing. Ditto for its electric generation, despite all the talk of China greening up. Result? Chinese carbon emissions are a fair chunk higher than the US per ton of CO2 and a lot higher than Western Europe.

Another piece on its stagnation, from Heatmap, ties it with clean energy. It notes that Xi is doubling down on state capitalism, especially in heavy industry and manufacturing. That, in turn, means lots of cement, and if you know anything about climate change, you know that cement production is a bad carbon emitter.

On the flip side, it notes the state capitalism is likely to produce a glut of electric cars. With China already the world's largest carmaking country, many would be exported. This would hit the US industry hard, and probably be catastrophic for Europe, notes Robinson Mayer. (Note: He's formerly of the Atlantic, so like the first piece, this has an establishmentarian angle.)

August 16, 2023

Yes, China has homelessness and poverty

That set of essential facts is contra "Aunt Fanny" (Rainer Shea's auntie? Max Blumenthal's? depends on whether she's just clueless or self-deceiving, to be the former's, or a paid shill, to be the latter's) on Twitter claiming neither exist in the Xi Jinping Middle Kingdom.

In any case, they're clearly a Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid peddler and drinker, hence pulling out my years-old but still valuable photoshopping.

In my first response, I went with the former, due to the small amount of followers they have:

Brookings, among others, sets her straight on poverty. Brookings notes that Xi did declare poverty over in 2020, while dropping hints this may have been in part anti-COVID coverup  PR. As for whether that's true or not, Brookings says yes with a BIG asterisk, the big being the amount of bar-lowering Beijing has done to claim that, as in lowering the poverty bar line by two-thirds from where it should be. Gee, the US would be almost poverty-free, too, by that standard.

Homelessness? The Lancet addresses that in respect to the mentally ill in China. For the big picture, there's this Wiki page aptly entitled "homelessness in China." Per it, homelessness among rural Chinese migrating to big cities for urban jobs has been a known problem for 20 or more years and no, it hasn't gone away. As far as Chinese compassion, The Lancet notes that COVID lockdowns stripped away vital services from many mentally ill homeless people, and cites specific examples.

I mean, China has surely done something to cut poverty and homelessness, but in reality, Chinese data on issues like this are about as trustworthy as legend vs reality on Chinese COVID deaths.

October 28, 2022

Coronavirus Week 125: The lab-leak theory gets validation

People like pseudoskeptic and tribalist deluxe Dr. David Gorski have LONG laughed and sneered at people like me who have said, citing people like Bill Clinton National Security Agency advisor Jaime Metzl and Dr. Scott Gottlieb, that the idea of COVID 19 originating from a lab leak in Wuhan, was a realistic possibility. Or well known public health and data analyst Zeynep Tufekci, who called out the Lancet letter saying it couldn't have been a lab leak.

Instead, Gorski et al called it a conspiracy theory, and conflated it, presumably deliberately, with the idea that COVID-19 was actually created in such a lab, and did so as an apparent smear.

The likes of him were abetted, albeit without smears, by the likes of David Dayen. (Unfortunately, the usually grounded leftist Sam Husseini DID conflate "lab leak" and "bioweaponizing.")

Well, they can now officially shut the fuck up, per Pro Publica. In conjunction with Vanity Fair (an interesting editorial partner for a story like this, but I digress), it has a story on a report by the minority membership of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. That report:

concludes that the COVID-19 pandemic was “more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.”

There's your nut graf.

I'm sure the likes of Orac will, "more likely than not," respond with something like "minority report = Republicans."

My whole set of responses?

Toy Reid is clearly not a GOP operative;

Richard Burr isn't a total wingnut;

Pro Publica is reporting.

Pro Publica begins by establishing Reid's knowledge of, nay, fluency in, Mandarin, coupled with his knowledge of and appreciation for East Asian culture. It then notes his skill in translating "Party speak" by the Communist Party of China.

Reid says he was able to look at a variety of information already online from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and "translate" the "party speak" for new insights.

Party speak in a science lab? Yes:

Like many scientific institutes in China, the WIV is state-run and funded. The research carried out there must advance the goals of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). As one way to ensure compliance, the CCP operates 16 party branches inside of the WIV, where members including scientists meet regularly and demonstrate their loyalty.

PP offers more details in the next graf of its story. Well, there's that. This also kneecaps the Rainier Sheas and Margaret Flowers of the more loony precincts of the left.

Reid says that WIV staff were scrambling to prove their scientific bona fides and value to party hacks and apparatchiks. This rings true per a site like Retraction Watch, where a large percentage of people with scientific research studies that don't pan out (or are fraudulent in some cases) are Chinese nationals.

AND, an apparent biosecurity breach Nov. 12, 2019.

Now, back up to refuting Orac and loony leftists:

Given advance access to hundreds of pages of the Senate researchers’ findings and analysis, Vanity Fair, in partnership with ProPublica, spent five months investigating their underlying evidence

So, they're not taking anybody's word on credit.

And, they're going beyond it, in fact:

Taken together, our reporting provides critical context that is not included in the pared-down 35-page interim report. It offers the most detailed picture to date of the months leading up to the COVID-19 outbreak, including new details on the intense pressure the lab faced to produce breakthrough research, its struggles to grapple with mounting safety issues and a previously unreported series of references to a mysterious incident shortly before the virus began infecting its first victims.

That's that.

That additional reporting includes getting other China experts to separately look at documents that Reid did. And, they signed off on his interpretation.

That includes that China apparently already started work on a vaccine in November 2019.

Read that again.

That includes that China apparently already started work on a vaccine in November 2019.

In other words, Xi Jinping has blood on his hands. (Some lab-leak denialists will point to Moderna working on a coronavirus vaccine even earlier. Yes, but it wasn't specific to COVID-19. And, it didn't work. And, AFAIK, China wasn't even working on a generic coronavirus vax before this time.)

Further confirming that this reporting is legit? Burr got the help of Dr. Robert Kadlec, an HHS careerist who, per what I've read on COVID, knew his shit on a variety of emergency preparedness issues. Kadlec also played a role in debunking the claim that trailers in Iraq in 2003 were mobile bioweapons labs, this story notes.

OK, back to the narrative.

Next tick in the timeline.

Nov. 19, 2019, seven days after the possible biosecurity breach, Dr. Ji Changzheng, tech safety and security director for the Chinese Academy of Sciences (parallel to the US NAS) came to WIV. He said he was bringing words of Xi Jinping about "a complex and grave situation."

From there, we get more on sloppy research and security practices, not just at WIV but elsewhere in China.

The story also reminds us that WIV had TWO labs. One is biosecurity level 4; the other is only BSL-2, but nonetheless had research being done there way above its biosecurity pay level.

The story then moves to discussing the tribalism over the lab-leak theory I talk about at top. 

And, the interim report's conclusion?

(T)he interim Senate report concludes that “the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt, or the presumption of accuracy.”

I agree.

And, speaking of tribalism, I don't like Michael Worobey's claim that he had been given insufficient time to respond. As in, I don't think Pro Publica shortchanged him re any followup to his piece this summer.

Anyway, that's just the iceberg. READ THE FULL THING. "Familiar names" like Ralph Baric, Peter Daszak and Shi Zhengli all appear. As for odds? Even before this new Pro Publica piece, Metzl put the lab leak origin odds at 85 percent.

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An addendum: Contra some wingnuts, this should not be used as a crude tool to kick China (though the re-election of Xi to a third term has left China under his leadership fully open to that) but as a warning about security and safety levels at biological research labs around the world, including here in the US.

It should also lead to new clampdowns on gain-of-function research, including getting Fauci, Collins and others to stop misdefining (or lying by redefining) about just what constitutes that. 

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Update, Nov. 1: There's a big push-back on Twitter, claiming that Reid got some tenses wrong on some of his translation and other things, and now, some push-back against the push-back, with me contributing my part. Part of the original push-back (not saying all) appears to be #BlueAnon. Part may be  (not saying is) Chinese agents. As far as journalism, a leader in the push-back is Semafor, which has multiple good-for-it reasons to be leading the push-back.

I'll see how Pro Publica updates the piece. Until then, not writing further. (As of Nov. 3, nothing on its website.)

Update to Update 1, Nov. 26: One month on, neither Pro Publica nor Vanity Fair has seen any reason to update, append an editor's note, or anything else.

Update 2, Nov. 29: Pro Publica HAS COMPLETED a review of its initial reporting, and generally stands by it, and specifically totally stands by it on anything of consequence, including Toy Reid's translation work.

Since that was the No. 1 criticism from the tribalists (and others), this:

We commissioned three Chinese language experts with impeccable credentials who were not involved in the original story to review Reid’s translation. They all agreed that his version was a plausible way to represent the passage, though two also said they would have translated the words to refer to the dangers of day-to-day lab operations. The third produced a translation that was in line with Reid’s. All agreed the passage was ambiguous. We have updated the story to underscore the complexity of interpreting that dispatch.

Sounds pretty straightforward.

Bigger issue No. 2:

We continue to see our story as a measured exploration of the array of questions raised about the WIV’s laboratories. The possibility that a biosecurity breach at the WIV occurred, and sparked the pandemic, remains plausible.

Indeed it is. And, with St. Anthony of Fauci's retirement and the air-kisses he's getting, this is important.

And sorry, tribalists, Pro Publica's not going away on the issue, either:

We plan to keep reporting on this issue and expect new evidence to emerge. It is our view that both the natural-spillover and laboratory-accident hypotheses for the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic merit continued investigation. Given the human toll, which continues to mount, it is imperative that we continue this work.

Deal with it.

September 08, 2022

World progressives news: Renewing the Iran deal, fighting NATO warmongering

James Dorsey has a great piece on all the moving parts involved with a possible renewal of the Iran nuclear deal. Beyond the US, Western allies, Russia and China, it also includes the Gulf Arab states and their anti-Iran animosity, Syria's ties to Iran Turkey and its past and present triangulation off Iran and more. Re Russia, and Chinese tacit support for it, the Ukraine war looms in the background. Dorsey goes from there to talk about the possibility of an even broader regional security pact, including nuclear issues, looping in India and Pakistan. It's a great read.

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Knock me over with a feather. After a summer of stonewalling over the issue, as I blogged, including about the degree she risked becoming a dupe of Xi Jinping Thought, UN High Commissioner on Human Rights Michelle Bachelet has actually released a report on China, and a condemnatory one. As I Tweeted, let's see Margaret Flowers, Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate, Rainer Shea and others among the running dog lackeys of Chinese imperialism deal with this one. (Waiting to see Counterpunch called a capitalist tool.)

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Citizens on the street in the Czech Republic protested last weekend about the current government's strongly pro-NATO stance vis-a-vis that Russia-Ukraine war.

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Who wants to see two Canadian pieces of shit, Steve Pinker and Jordan Peterson, exchange fecal transplants in the name of life extension in Toronto? Seriously, I can see why the guy who runs the place avoids words like biohacking, as he's even more full of shit than the normal biohacker?

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Sweden, expecting Turkish approval to join NATO so it can mong war against Russia, is obviously expecting a natural gas cutoff or diminishment. Therefore, it's already offering a bailout (don't call it that, it's a "liquidity guarantee") to energy companies. But wait. "Plucky" little Finland is doing the same.



August 18, 2022

Coronavirus week 118: The nuttery of China's zero-COVID lockdowns

Between the mix of population density, sucky vaccines, and the resulting deaths of more than 2 million people, Xi Jinping seems stuck on total lockdowns when coronavirus "surges" or even "mini-surges" happen.

Because a close contact of a COVID case was traced to a Shanghai IKEA, Chinese officials decided to lock the place down — while people were shopping. That, in turn led to a mad scramble to flee the lockdown. And, why wouldn't there be? 

Shanghai residents saw all of their entire city locked down late this spring, then an ongoing lockdown for selected portions of the city after that, even as this wreaks havoc on the Chinese economy. As I have blogged before, these lockdowns are pretty draconian. Imagine being stuck inside Ikea for an entire week, dependent on something like the Chinese equivalent of fast food being thrust through a door, and hoping you might get a blanket and a pillow by the second or third day in.

But, once again, per Howie Hawkins, Margaret Flowers and the late Kevin Zeese, we should judge China in Chinese terms. Or per Rainier Shea at the People's Republic of Humboldt Bay, this is surely actually a sign of deeper Chinese brilliance.

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Non-COVID sidebar: Alleged Great Corruption Fighter Xi Jinping has started the process of getting a first round of Chinese companies delisted from the New York Stock Exchange because he doesn't want possible corruption investigated.

June 24, 2022

What China is doing to the Uyghurs is not a genocide

It IS "deeply problematic" in many ways, contra the capitalist grifters for Xi Jinping, like Max Blumenthal, let alone, the Xi Jinping Thought stanners like Howie Hawkins and Margaret Flowers, or worse yet, some mix of Max's grifting by clickbait and reflexive pandering to anti-Americanism by the likes of Aaron Maté.

But, it is not, contra parts of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, let alone the Religious Right's foreign policy establishment for Jesus, a genocide. Not even part one of a five-part installment proves that.

It is, contra the nutters, grifters and true believers in the first paragraph, forced labor by people who are inside work camps in many cases. Arguably, they're inside concentration camps of some sort. It is possibly cultural genocide, but I've not come down firmly on that, even. It is NOT, contra the bullshit of the Matés of the world, necessary to control Islamic extremists, or secular secessionists if they exist under separate cover, that make up a small portion of Xinjiang's population.

Genocide is what the Nazis did to the Jews. It's what the Ottomans did their best to do to the Armenians before that. It's what the Hutu later did to the Tutsi in Rwanda.

What's happening in Xinjiang, even with forced abortions, is not a genocide. The UN Convention includes "intent to destroy." Intent is always tough to prove legally. Tis true that the fourth point in an early section does include forced lack of birth. But China only relatively recently officially lifted its one-child policy.

June 16, 2022

Coronavirus Week 112A: Blame Xi Jinping for 2 million dead

If American companies didn't hand trade and manufacturing secrets to China like blank checks — another part of America's general craptacular kowtowing to China, including trade relations favorability in the past given to them before Russia — it would still be a backwater, the way it manages COVID.

I'm sure that NONE of the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid peddlers, whether fake leftist and neoliberal grifter Max Blumenthal, alleged leftist but not really Adam Tooze, Green Party twosiders Margaret Flowers and Howie Hawkins, People's Republic of Humboldt County leader Rainier Shea, or Margaret Kimberly and Danny Haiphong of the useful gang of idiots that's left at Black Agenda Report, can explain why, supposedly after China had originally crushed COVID, then a humongous Shanghai lockdown crushed COVID, can explain why China has ANOTHER Shanghai lockdown. Contra Tooze and his kiss-ass book on COVID, China's vaccines suck. Contra the story, Xi is so untrustworthy that I totally do not believe Johns Hopkins numbers of 15K Chinese COVID deaths. (Worldometers, which is good inside democratic and transparent countries, is even worse on this issue, claiming jut 5K deaths.)


The reality? As of January, Forbes, channeling a piece from the Economist that had COVID undercounting rates around the world, said China's real death rate was probably 1.7 million. That was January. (Fortunately, the Economist piece isn't paywalled; the Forbes pieces are straightforward, but their author is a full-on wingnut, going by his Twitter.)

Even worse, when China was actually counting deaths (it stopped, in Ground Zero Wuhan itself after March 31, 2020) it was undercounting. And, in a country with extensive social media and general internet monitoring and able to dragoon foreign nationals into quarantine is surely gathering PLENTY of COVID data — they're just not reporting any of it.

That said, this is more a problem than sucky vaccines. ONLY FIFTY PERCENT of Chinese over 80 are vaccinated, per the first link. Shit, that's worse than red-state antivaxxer America.

Failing lockdowns in the face of a country that still has only gotten half of its age 80-plus population vaccinated, means its surely around 2 million now, per my header.

In addition, Mr. Calhoun, in a second Forbes piece, notes that (like in places like Vietnam, also wrongly touted as "crushing" COVID) rural people, aged or not, are far less vaccinated that rural red state wingnuts, and health care available to them is slim.

So, there's your reality. It would still be half the COVID death rate, per population, of the US, but China likely has 2 million COVID deaths — and still counting.

And, while half the death rate of the US, at 1,400 per 1 million, that's still higher than The Netherlands, Hong Kong (OOOPS), Denmark, Canada, Finland, Norway, South Korea (nearly 3x lower), New Zealand (almost 5x lower), Japan (almost 6x lower) and Taiwan (almost 7x lower), among "advanced" nations with trustworthy stats.

Will Xi get a third term and become China's first "maximum leader" since Deng?

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Side note: There's good reason to believe, from the Economist estimates and data modeling, that Russia is lying a fair amount but not ridiculously, while India is the second-biggest liar in the world outside China (Pakistan is the biggest, and per the Economist link, I think Bangladesh is more "challenged" thal "liar"), with possibly 7 million or more deaths on a high-side estimate. (But, just as Xi has Uyghurs to scapegoat, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has Muslims.)

Update: At Unherd, Ashley Rindsberg has a good take on US media gullibility, as well as WHO enabling that.

Update, July 27, 2023: Per this Foreign Poicy piece, via a CFR piece, it's possible China had as many as another 1 million deaths in the nine months after I wrote this.

March 31, 2022

Coronavirus, Week 103: 1 million dead, or 20

Yes, as of late last week, that's the quasi-official and surely undercounted, probably highly undercounted, US death toll from COVID-19.

President Joe Biden, who claimed that sombody as COVID incompetent as his predecessor, Donald Trump, should be voted out office for that reason alone, has continued to dodge eating his words with many of the BlueAnon faithful by dodging the tough issues.

Hospitalizations instead of cases the new metric.

Talking about getting closer to endemic, and even trotting out St. Anthony of Fauci to push that message, even as the latest variant in Europe may hit our shores.

Cutting back on public testing. Hey, those free at home test kits are great to try to calm some of the worried public, and for taking privately generated positive test results out of the public sphere.

That's even as money gets tighter for antivirals and other issues, and Biden's failure last fall to have multiple arrows in his quiver is another issue.

That's as we have one of the highest death/case rates of any country in the world. (There are some countries, like India and China, whose numbers I don't trust on government principle.)

But, carry on.

You do have health insurance, don't you? And, with a low deductible?

We may indeed get to endemic. But, with a US having 3 times the population of 1920, and interconnected much more with a global population 4 times that of a century ago, it will take a lot longer than it did with the Spanish flu. And, "endemic" won't look the same.

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Meanwhile, as you read this, China has its financial capital and largest metro, Shanghai, in the middle of a two-part lockdown. China, even with its swifter, yet more draconian, true lockdowns than anything in Western Europe, and true lockdowns (which the US never really had, shut up COVID contrarians), has long been trying to avoid this. The Beeb piece cites China's zero-COVID policy (which the US has never had, shut up, COVID contrarians, Great Barrington crack smokers, etc.) is considered by some within to be overblown against Omicron and may even be getting pushback. Alert the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-aid peddlers that the Maximum Leader is being questioned.

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Per the header, and the latter number? That's the likely global mortality from COVID. And, the excess mortality method shows that Asia didn't deal as well with COVID as some claim. Alerting the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-aid peddlers.

January 17, 2022

China, the steno apologists and tankies, and real foreign policy

The Nation has a very good overall piece by David Klion on how "progressives" should have a China policy that rejects neoliberal based free trade AND calls Beijing out on human rights abuses, but yet looks to avoid military or military-related "solutions."

As for the Uyghur issue? Uyghurs living abroad, per Klion, would like to see actions by the US like the Global Magnitsky Act being applied to China.

It's not perfect, starting with Klion not going further left than the DSA roseys, but it's a start. I'm sure that not only the allegedly outside the box stenos like Maté and Blumenthal, but today's tankie types like Richard D. Wolff and Rainier Shea of The People's Republic of Humboldt Bay likely don't accept the facts on the ground that Klion presents.As an ex-Green, I know the tankie train runs there, too.

There's nothing new to the stenos. It's just a new version of neoliberal "engagement" with tankie lipstick smeared on that pig. The tankies themselves are of course heirs to those who tried to pretend away the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, and other disasters.

One thing Klion gets at is we need to reject other twosiderism beyond that of "confront bluntly" or "appease" — namely, that of "capitalism" vs "communism."

Anybody who's not a tankie or a wingnut knows that China is some version of state capitalism. And, no, NOT state capitalism in the sense of classic Marxist-Leninist ownership of the means of production. Rather, it's more on the lines of state control, indirectly but far beyond the US regulatory state, but kind of like American GSEs — indirect control or quasi-ownership. Given the degree of Chinese economic ownership like this, one could bring out the third label of "fascism."

I don't totally agree with something like this, though:

Isabella Weber, a German political economist whose recent book How China Escaped Shock Therapy traces the origins of the economic liberalization implemented by Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s and ’80s, rejects these simplistic labels. “I think of China as a state-constituted market economy that relies on a strong capitalist dynamic,” she told me. “This is a new kind of economic system that we have to study on its own terms.”

That comment still gives too much of a capitalist fetish to the whole idea of "markets." (And, with that, shows that The Nation remains left-liberal, not actually leftist.)

That's even more true when one looks at the reality of these markets. This:

In Weber’s analysis, over the past four decades China’s powerful one-party state has created enormous markets that have reintegrated the country into the world economy (enriching capitalists and undermining unions in the process), but it has always done so in pursuit of China’s long-term economic development and political sovereignty.

Is certainly not 100 percent true. State-owned industries, owned at the provincial, county or municipal level, have been a hive of Chinese-style corrupt crony capitalism, and in a country with nearly four times the US population and more land area, even a top-down government in Beijing can't track all of that.

Klion misses other issues here, ones that aren't about human rights, etc., but are straight fiscal issues.

Most notably, he doesn't discuss monetarism and China's continued refusal to let the renmimbi fully float on world exchanges. That would be a non-military stick to be used with things like the Global Magnitsky Act, and with various carrots as well.

Other than that, Klion doesn't offer much in the way of solutions, attempted solutions, or actual or attempted partial solutions. Trying to nationalize an "essential industry" like computer chips may help, but the biggest players there are Taiwanese, not Chinese.

IMO, what would really help would be applying the Global Magnitsky Act to US companies, not just Chinese, who participate in human rights abuses. If it currently doesn't allow that? Fix it! Raising the cost of doing bad business in Beijing would be neither carrot nor stick, but Archimedian leverl.

November 18, 2021

Texas Progressives look at national and global nuttery

This corner of Texas Progressives saw so much nuttery outside the Pointy Abandoned Object State™ that he broke out a separate national and global roundup this week.

National

Mondoweiss notes that long-time Democratic House veteran James McGovern has explicitly called on Biden's Secretary of State, Tony Blinken, to "unambiguously denounce" Israel calling six Palestinian human rights and social groups terrorists. McGovern explicitly said "expressing concern" is not enough.

Stop buying so much shit. No, really. Even I had no idea American consumerism had gotten that bad. And, some liberals and some leftists may accuse me of guilting the poor, but if you live in a household with total income of under $40K and have more than 1 TV? The reasons you're poor or near-poor are partly your own.

I forgot that Ammon Bundy as well as Idaho's Lite Guv is primarying Gov. Brad Little, who hasn't formally announced yet but presumably is running. Bundy's now gotten Ron Paul's endorsement. Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachen's already gotten the Trump endorsement, so getcha popcorn.

Okie pot growing, which is essentially recreational-legal in all but name, is now a big fat legal mess.

The Flint water crisis legal settlement is indeed bullshit, both on lack of money and on lack of criminal sanctions for flunkies of former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder.

Judge orders city of Portland to reveal secret, taped-on police ID numbers.

Global

The Atlantic reports on the latest mind and society control efforts of Xi Jinping Thought. No, really; kids get monitored for how many hours of online video games they play, for starters in the story. Michael Schuman notes not only the background picture of Mao's shadow and the longer-term attempt to make sure Chinese businesses, especially in the tech world, don't get too uppity, but the Communist Party Congress a year from now when Xi will stand for a third term, unprecedented in terms of either formal or informal power since the death of Deng Xiaoping. Schuman adds that some of this comes from a puritanical streak toward the excesses of capitalism that Xi reportedly has. In all of this, asterisks must be appended, started with the magazine this appears in, then going to Schuman being a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. Sidebar off Atlantic's rail: the reality of cause, effects and fallouts of the one-child policy.

February 26, 2021

Xi Jinping Thought lies on COVID get further exposed

The story from The Hill is more than a week old, but it deserves more airplay. COVID started in China earlier than we have heard before, with multiple variants already around at the formerly alleged ur-time of December 2019. And, the person now called Patient Zero was NOT connected to the wet markets of Wuhan.

I still do not think this was a lab escape, but, it leaves China more and more open to facing such accusations. In addition, it puts its defenders — whether defending how well China handled the virus in general or how few cases and deaths it has, claims that look more and more like Xi Jinping Thought lies — on the defensive, though they won't admit it.

Worse yet, WHO representatives claim that Chinese officials pressured them to try to claim COVID came from outside China.

As of yesterday, China allegedly had just 90,000 cases and 4,636 deaths. I find those numbers not just lies, but Seth Rich conspiracy theory laughable lies.

And, it's also why I find Max Blumenthal and Howie Hawkins/Margaret Flowers/Kevin Zeese et al peddling Xi Jinping Thought lies about the Uyghur camps to be yet more laughable.

February 17, 2021

Hot take on uncritical leftists supporting Jimmy Dore Thought

As regular readers here know, I've done several blogposts about uncritical, nonskeptical leftists peddling, and drinking themselves, the Kool-Aid of Xi Jinping Thought.

Now it's time to turn domestically and look at Jimmy Dore Thought for the first time.

I just do not get why Greens like David Bruce Collins think Jimmy Dore is a good dood, ignoring that his political framing on Force the Vote was likely wrong, and all of Dore's other issues.

Oh, yes, all those "other issues."

Per Rational Wiki, with which I do NOT fully agree on what is conspiracy and what is conspiracy theory, Dore is:
A JFK conspiracy theorist;
A 9/11 falser;
A Seth Rich conspiracy theorist.

This ignores his bromance with/whitewashing of the Boogaloo Bois, which DBC also ignores. That said, elsewhere, DBC ignores Caity Johnstone's past support of red-brown alliances in trumpeting her calls for "unity" on the left.

Sidebar: Dunno about Dore, but Greenwald is also a sexist, which DBC may not know. Glennwald has sexism going back 25 years, and yes, gays, despite bigotry against them, can be sexist — in fact, some of the most vociferous sexism I've run across has been from gays.)

Given that many people, like Bob Fisk at Douma, have pointed out realities otherwise, Rational Wiki is full of shit in saying that claims that Assad didn't do every chemical weapons attack attributed to him is a conspiracy theory. And, sometimes Rational Wiki is not just wrong, it's full of shit, and there's no other way to put it. I've done an editing note, similar to ones at Wikipedia, and we'll see if it sticks. (That said, this and related issues, such as whether OPCW has internally lied about some of this or not, is in many ways a cesspool.)

And, if people claim I'm hypocritical? No, based on how I know how to use evidence and critical thinking, I know the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. So, both conspiracy theorists and Rational Wiki can go get stupid.

February 06, 2021

Max Blumenthal and his kowtows to Beijing

Since that IS a Mandarin word, I just LOVE using the word "kowtow" for the people who drink and/or peddle the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid.

One of the most notorious of them is Max Blumenthal.

Basically, whatever other good work he may do at his Grayzone site is ... erased, eradicated, obliterated, or whatever other modifier you'd like, by his sucking Xi's Chinese schlong on denying severe repression, concentration camps and cultural genocide against Uyghurs.

Max does this in large part, per Workers' Liberty, by creating strawmen, mixed with ignoring what can't be refudiated or strawmanned.

Axios has more, which show the rest of Max's panoply of reasoning-free reaction to critics. He engages in ad hominems (without denying that Lenz has found real evidence) followed by further ad hominems against Axios for it daring to ask him, the great Max Blumenthal, a question. (Note that Max never answers it.)

With Uyghur women now making new claims of rape and sexual torture, Max becomes more an untenable shill.

Uyghur women are telling the newest truth, it would seem, about how Xi's China has treated them: rape cases, along with sexualized torture and other claims. It's a long read, and a must-read. Too bad the likes of Howie Hawkins and Margaret Flowers of the Green Party, Rainier Shea of the People's Republic of Humboldt Bay, and Blumenthal of East Chinastan Daily News will try to poo-poo it.

Meanwhile, the Intercept has the goods on massive new leaked Chinese government files of police surveillance of Uyghurs and related issues. It follows up with an investigative report on Uyghur detentions.

Flowers has responded to a call-out on Twitter over the latest revelations, and I have responded.

My first response in a two-parter:

And my second.

Flowers didn't want to stop digging, and offered this:

To which I offered the first of a three part thread response:

The "Uyghurs were there" response should nail it.

If it doesn't? Since the Stalinist USSR, or before that, Russian Potemkin villages, authoritarian and totalitarian governments that have wanted to deceive those who are ready to be hoodwinked have easily done so.

And, if that's not enough, via the app Clubhouse, which recently briefly broke through the "great firewall of China," I can now tell Flowers the petards are also hoisting on her "Chinese terms" in another way. Diaspora Chinese, and also Taiwanese Chinese, told mainland Chinese that they needed to learn some things about Xinjiang.

What's a mix of funny, sad, ironic and hypocritical is that Flowers, one of the leaders of a third party, is engaging in two-siderism.

(Update, March 12, 2021: I suppose we should discuss freedom of the press in "Chinese terms" as well, if we're going to be all bent over backward?)

What's also a mix of funny, sad, ironic and hypocritical? Flowers' saying we should let Xi Jinping Thought go unchallenged is exactly the type of argument that could be used by the U.S. bipartisan foreign policy establishment.

It's also not the first time Flowers (and partner Kevin Zeese, when still alive) have peddled the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid.

Back to Max.

And, to the degree he might have some good insights elsewhere on Grayzone, even they are not free from challenge, precisely because of how he supports Xi Jinping Thought on the Uyghurs. 

And, probably supports Chinese quasi-official lies about US vaccine safety, given that China Global Times, which has interviewed Max before, is among the peddlers of these lies.

And, beyond that, his changes of heart on things like Syria look suspicious. He started becoming an Assad defender in Syria only after visiting Moscow — and soon afterward. Many others believe that not all atrocities in Syria are traceable to Assad, but we hold to this based on information we found without going to Moscow.

He's not alone, sadly. Margaret Kimberly, even before spouting the bullshit on Black Agenda Report, was doing it elsewhere, per Coda Story. (At least, I hadn't seen it at BAR first.) That piece is good for noting a history of leftist apologetics for left-leaning dictatorial violence.

Finally, remember who Max's dad is. He may have different reasons for peddling bullshit, but, he certainly learned well from Sidney about HOW to peddle it.

January 29, 2021

Xi Jinping Thought further exposed, further weakened

Chinese President Xi Jinping is actually throwing the motor into reverse on "rule of law" in the country, especially when it applies to private sector businesses.

First, contra neoliberal Democrats who are now giving at least face time in the Biden Administration to taking a new look at trade issues, and contra old-line Big Biz Republicans (aka Bushies) this shows that Trump was right. "Engagement" has done nothing to open up China. 

Trump, of course, botched how he handled China by also engaging in tariff wars with the EU and Canada at the same time as with China, rather than recruiting them as allies.

Second, contra Howie Hawkins, Margaret Flowers and Kevin Zeese, Rainier Shea of the People's Republic of Humboldt Bay, and Aaron Maté and the rest of the allegedly outside-the-box stenos who claim that Uyghur concentration camps don't exist, this further shows that you can't trust Xi, and that guzzling Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid is addictive. (Don't forget that Aaron's pal Max Blumenthal even writes for Chinese equivalents of RT, even as people like them like to talk about the likes of Voice of America as propaganda.

Fortunately, such addicts are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the voice of the Western world in general. As of late last year, Xi's global approval rating was almost as low as Trump's.

January 05, 2021

Coronavirus week 39: More lies, more stupidity

I had predicted we'd pass 300K US deaths by the end of the year, months ago. Trump bragged that he was a stable genyus and so the US would never hit 1 million. I underestimated, and Trump may have overestimated, by the time this is all done. 

Yours truly went to Aridzona on a holiday vacation and can report in detail that small and midsized towns there have even more problems with maskless COVIDIOTS than similar-sized places here in Tex-ass. California DOES take it seriously (your author was there for half the trip) and ... has a much lower death toll.

SocraticGadfly discussed ways that President Joe Biden could get a de facto federal mask quasi-mandate.

Off the Kuff observes that the COVID vaccine rollout is pretty bumpy so far. 

• More than "bumpy" is the harassment of Tennessee nurse Tiffany Dover, who fainted after getting the vaccine. (Sidebar: The slime of Facebook is further illustrated, and it's time for me to get back off it for a while.)

• More Chinese coronavirus lies, including those by Winnie the Pooh himself, President Xi Jinping, have been exposed. These are again about covering up/ignoring the early days and weeks in Wuhan, including Xi's own lies about how quickly he intervened. (Next, he'll claim that Uyghurs in Xinjiang invented it and many leftists will lap that up.) China is also carefully guarding the research it conducts in-country.

• Schadenfreude meets stupidity: Just after Strangeabbott said the Texas Capitol would reopen to public visitors cuz, the Lege!, outgoing Speaker Dennis Bonnen had his 2020 end perfectly when he said he and his family had gotten it.

• The Texas Supremes said that Austin couldn't do a California-style lockdown on in-person dining over the New Year's holiday.

• Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo continues to battle COVID and conservatives.

RIP to Congressman-elect Luke Letlow.

• Turns out, per the busted French rave, that many Europeans are like many Americans on coronavirus controls, which British PM Boris Johnson says will get stricter yet in the UK before they relax.

• The 1918-19 pandemic had its own version of "long haulers."

• More on the Wisconsin pharmacist who deliberately ruined the Moderna vaccine. Shorter? He's a nutter. And, his particular nutterness arguably reinforces my claims that horseshoe theory is real, at least on COVID related issues.

December 23, 2020

Is China's discussed great social media credit system feasible?

In the latest round of his suggested readings, Massimo Pigliucci mentions it in passing, mainly from the point of view of a Stephen Kershnar, philosophy prof at SUNY, who among other things, utters this:

The problem with Shen’s argument is that people do not have a right to dignity, privacy, or reputation.

Just. Wow.

"Saphsin" in comments, with multiple links, responds vociferously that it taint so. And I, in my last comment on Sunday, countered with this ProPublica piece about China's degree of social media and general Internet control over early days and weeks of coronavirus news.

First, per my comment with that link, I do NOT think there's a huge degree of scalability on the tech side. Also, unlike the US, where an Amazon, if it ever actually developed a corporate conscience, could walk away from CIA work, many of the Chinese tech companies involved with furthering Xi Jinping Thought through censorship of questioning of it, if not state-owned, do so much business with the Chinese government that they can't walk away.

Per Lee Majors speaking the opening to "The Six Million Dollar Man," Xi could easily say: "We have the technology. We have the capability ... "

To the degree there IS anything like a scalability issue? It's on the people side.

Sure, it would take at least an extra 100,000 people to make this truly work. And unlike Hucksterman outsourcing Facebook content moderation to the Philippines, this would have to be done in-house, so to speak.

But, impossible? Μὴ γένοιτο, to riff on Paul; there, it means "god forbid," translated idiomatically, or something similar. Would that there were a god to forbid on something like this! In reality? I look at pre-1989 East Germany. The Stasi reportedly had as many as 200,000 informants on its books in a country 2 percent the size of China.

The REAL issue? It's a philosophical one. A Platonic one. Per "The Republic," who watches the watchers? Who guards the guardians? Actually, per a program this big, in a country the size of China, per theory of other minds, you'd certainly need a third level, that of people watching the people watching the watchers. Per Monty Python, the people watching the watchers who watch the watching the watchers have been sacked from the subtitles.

But, with carrots and sticks, or bread and crucifixions, to spin Caesar a bit, you can get enough spying on the spies to make this happen.

Facebook and Twitter themselves offer ideas. Both allow people to report things like fake news, misleading claims about elections, etc. (Though Twitter, at least in the case of one certain elected official, doesn't actually do anything with that, of course. Not really.)

Let's say that Chinese social media platform Weibo, roughly similar to Twitter, had similar reporting tools. Let's also say that, for each comment by someone else I report and that Weibo agrees needed to be reported auto-tweaks my algorithm to make future comments by me more visible to others. Let us also say that, short of account suspension, the more posts of yours that are reported and that Weibo agrees needed reporting auto-tweaks your algorithm in the reverse direction. (Surprised that Twitter hasn't already thought of this; the cesspool would clean up a fair amount right there.) Let us now say that CCP officials oversee Weibo's reporting system and that, in addition to Facebook and Twitter reporting categories, there is one that is called "Insults Xi Jinping Thought" or similar, and that CCP officials monitor this category of reports most closely.

ProPublica tells us more about how China's paid Internet trolls stage-manaaged making the coronavirus appear less bad in China than it actually was. This, too, should show us how a social media credit system could be controlled. You use fluffers to fluff the subservient.

Sorry, Saph, but your links aside? This shows how that wouldn't be that hard. It's just a subtler, more insidious form of the Cultural Revolution.

Xi could even say, per Mao: "Let a thousand Weibo accounts be shut down!"

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More Chinese coronavirus lies, including those by Winnie the Pooh himself, President Xi Jinping, have been exposed. These are again about covering up/ignoring the early days and weeks in Wuhan, including Xi's own lies about how quickly he intervened.

December 03, 2020

Coronavirus, week 35: Chinese lies, vaccines, more

Big news this past week, and surely flying under much of the US radar screen? China is aggressively upping its efforts to claim the novel coronavirus originated outside of China. That's even as newly leaked documents from inside China show just how much the goverment, at various levels, was covering up early coronavirus problems. (Adding to the problem, Hubei province had an influenza spike that started just before that, AND China hasn't been fully transparent about that, either.) And, stuff like THIS is why I called out the drinkers of Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid earlier this fall, including Green Party presidential candidate Howie Hawkins and top advisors Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers. Given that China cut the number of actual early COVID deaths in one third, vs. what it reported, the world's response was crimped indeed.

That's just half the issue, though. Also contra the China-stanners, provincial-level Chinese Centers for Disease Control appear to be at least as underfunded as a lot of the health apparatus in the US of A. Related question: How much of this was laxity from Beijing, and how much of it is provincial governments lying to Beijing, and provincial governors and staffs maybe grifting and grafting as part of that? After all, that latter issue has a long history in China — and not necessarily just in modern times, though the post-Deng black and white cats have brought it to new levels.

And, per Worldometers, China claims to have less than 5,000 COVID deaths. Yeah, right.

Finally, per a combination of the first and second links, why should we trust Chinese reporting on COVID control today? I mean, Beijing lied about SARS case numbers, too.

• Yes, that's all bigger than Moderna officially seeking FDA approval. "Seeking" is not "getting," no matter how rosy Moderna's PR, and no matter that even a mag with Science as its name is reporting PR as straight news.

Related? Yes, the vaccines could be here by mid-winter. Will they be as effective as PR claims? What if the PR doesn't pan out, and people have stopped wearing masks? That one isn't directly covered in this piece about the winter ahead, but other things are.

• Texas, along with being last in the nation in percentage of people with health coverage of some sort, is also basically last in the nation in mental health protections. Wingnuts use the rise in suicide statistics, which is real, to shout stuff like "end the lockdown" (though we've never had a true lockdown). But, none of them will talk "national health care," let alone "national mental health care." (In nations with some sort of national health care, psychiatric coverage can vary.)

• Meanwhile, speaking of wingnuts and rules, and flouting thereof? Gov. Strangeabbott created the "restaurant loophole" for bars this summer. Sadly, but unsurprisingly, nobody's enforcing it, and many bars are staying open as — bars. Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins asked Strangebbott to given local officials enforcement authority, and instead, Strangeabbott shot the messenger.

• Wingnuts have repeatedly talked about people who "don't want to work" during the pandemic. Turns out special unemployment aid has underpaid them.

October 20, 2020

Coronavirus, week 29: How the CDC became Trump's toady

We start off this week with a long read from ProPublica on the header's subject.

The nutgraf actually comes just after the true breaking point incident:

When the next history of the CDC is written, 2020 will emerge as perhaps the darkest chapter in its 74 years, rivaled only by its involvement in the infamous Tuskegee experiment.

That breaking point?

At the time of Memorial Day, the CDC posted guidelines for churches. They included warnings that things like choir singing were potential superspreader actions. And, the Trump Administration, which had already issued its "guidelines" for the CDC's guidelines that omitted things like this, said its guidelines were "not optional." And ... the CDC caved.

And, despite saying that it wouldn't again? It kept caving.

Employees spoke openly about their “hill to die on” — the political interference that would prompt them to leave. Yet again and again, they surrendered and did as they were told. It wasn’t just worries over paying mortgages or forfeiting the prestige of the job. Many feared that if they left and spoke out, the White House would stop consulting the CDC at all, and would push through even more dangerous policies. 
To some veteran scientists, this acquiescence was the real sign that the CDC had lost its way. One scientist swore repeatedly in an interview and said, “The cowardice and the caving are disgusting to me.”

Agreed.

Related? A new documentary reveals details about how Nancy Messonnier was "disappeared."

Supposedly, the previously ball-less head of the FDA, Dr. Stephen Hahn, is now trying to keep it away from the CDC's fate. Is it too late for him to make up for his previous gonad self-digestion?

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Meanwhile, the numbers continue to climb again nationally, and Fauci says "too high" as fall progresses.

And, cases requiring hospitalization climbed here in Texas last month

Maybe that's because ...

As  SocraticGadfly says that at least in his personal experience, Gov. Strangeabbott’s coronavirus safety protocols for events to be held are basically Kabuki theater.

And, Financial Times tried to get to the bottom of the early days and weeks of the coronavirus in Wuhan, all while battling the Xi Jinping Though (Police). Gist of the issue? Xi is not entirely to blame, but his increasingly authoritarian style plus bad communications between Beijing and the Politburo on the one hand, and Hubei provincial, county and Wuhan city officials on the other, exacerbated the problem. And, contra Xi-stanners, no, again, this isn't just Western propaganda, including Chinese remaining fearful of talking.

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Because of all of this and more? It would be hard to argue with this expert that the next 6-12 weeks could be the worst of the entire pandemic (to date).

And, does Twitter deleting a Scott Atlas Tweet really stop COVIDIOCY?

And, speaking of COVIDIOCY? Orac rips to shreds the Great Barrington Declaration. It's not "great"; the town of Great Barrington, where the COVIDIOTS drafted it, explicitly repudiated it at a local government meeting; and, beyond the nuttery of herd immunity, which I saw 10 days ago when first reading it, the fact that the word "mask" is nowhere to be found shows just how politicized it is.

And, COVIDIOTS are on the rise in Cooke County and other smaller counties in Texas. Scary ones are places like this and Hopkins County that are not totally removed from the Metroplex but acting like they are on things like this.

October 06, 2020

China-stanners' lies, including those by Green Party thought leaders

The detention camps for Uyghurs (and Kazakhs and other largely Muslim, and Turkic ethnicity) minorities, have been built. Documented, with more new ones being built.

The Chinese plan to do all this was leaked. Documented.

Yet, China-stanners, from Rainier Shea of the People's Republic of Humboldt Bay, and I presume, the likes of World Socialists, on one "side," to the allegedly outside-the-box stenos (Blumenthal, Taibbi, Maté, Chariton, Ames, Levine, etc.) on a second "side," continue to lie. As did the late Kevin Zeese and partner Margaret Flowers. (Things like this are part of why I once removed Counterpunch from my blogroll.) Danny Haiphong, the worst thing to happen to Black Agenda Report in the past five years outside of Bruce Dixon's death, is another of the China-stanners. And, I've not forgotten he drinks the Tulsi Kool-Aid.

And, stanners? You might get away with claiming that ButtFeet, ie BuzzFeed, is part of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment? Cory Doctorow? Not so much. International Consortium of Investigative Journalists? Not so much. More from them.

Patrick Cockburn at Counterpunch? CERTAINLY not part of the MSM, but he can note Chinese repression while also noting it's "interesting" that they've suddenly gotten US attention. And, re Tulsi-stanner Haiphong, he can ALSO note it's interesting that Modi's lockdown of Kashmir has gotten about zero attention from Trump. (It's also gotten very little attention from the leftists above, whether they're actually Tulsi-stanners or not.)

And, speaking of media, more reminders that China is not tussling with just the US. Australia, after new rows with Beijing, now has no media there. And, an Aussie journo shoved out two years ago is now telling his, and his family's, story. Shades of Ed Snowden warning Glenn Greenwald et al to have all phones and computers Internet-disconnected, Matthew Carney says that people in Beijing were at one point remotely controlling his phone.

Speaking of Australians? A Down Under think tank now has an interactive map of all the reported sites. On the other hand? ASPI gets US government money, even as NR tries to downplay that.

This is a piece that will likely have occasional follow-ups. And, yes, the "thought leaders" is deliberate.

Are there radical Muslims in Xinjiang? Yes. Might China be worried about them? Yes. Does it need this degree of repression? No. Might the US and the rest of the West be using real claims, as well as claims it may have stirred up, as a wedge issue? Yes. 

Can China easily address this? Yes. Has it? No.

To me, one factor that points to this being genuine is former detainees talking about a "points system" for re-education. We already know Xi Jinping is working on doing this with ethnic Han on social media; it only seems rational to assume that he started this, in spades, with the Uyghurs (and Kazakhs and others) detained in Xinjiang.

Per this Atlantic piece, let me ask a rhetorical question: If the U.S. government were doing these things to American Indians (as it DID do in Indian boarding schools a century ago) your response would be?

As for Zeese and Flowers? They have been key advisors to Green Party presidential nominee Howie Hawkins, who has taken huge heat from some Greens and an even bigger number of pseudo-Greens over his comments about Russian interference in the 2016 election. And, sadly, Howie has done a fundraiser with Haiphong's fellow China-stanner at Black Agenda Report, Margaret Kimberly.

Update, Feb. 6, 2021: Flowers has responded to a call-out on Twitter over the latest revelations, contained in this new blog post calling out Max Blumenthal, and I have responded.

My first response in a two-parter:

And my second.

Flowers didn't want to stop digging, and offered this:

To which I offered the first of a three part thread response:

The "Uyghurs were there" response should nail it.

If it doesn't? Since the Stalinist USSR, or before that, Russian Potemkin villages, authoritarian and totalitarian governments that have wanted to deceive those who are ready to be hoodwinked have easily done so.

And, if that's not enough, via the app Clubhouse, which recently briefly broke through the "great firewall of China," I can now tell Flowers the petards are also hoisting on her "Chinese terms" in another way. Diaspora Chinese, and also Taiwanese Chinese, told mainland Chinese that they needed to learn some things about Xinjiang.  

(Update, March 12, 2021: I suppose we should discuss freedom of the press in "Chinese terms" as well, if we're going to be all bent over backward?)

What's a mix of funny, sad, ironic and hypocritical is that Flowers, one of the leaders of a third party, is engaging in two-siderism.

What's also a mix of funny, sad, ironic and hypocritical? Flowers' saying we should let Xi Jinping Thought go unchallenged is exactly the type of argument that could be used by the U.S. bipartisan foreign policy establishment.

It's also not the first time Flowers (and partner Kevin Zeese, when still alive) have peddled the Xi Jinping Thought Kool-Aid.

Richard Wolff, to the degree he touches on the issue, also seems to be a Xi-stanner.

What's also disgusting is the attempt of many of these people to both have their cake and eat it, too. They'll first deny that Uyghur camps exist, claiming it's all American propaganda. BUT, many then go on to say that the presence of radical Islamists means that China has to take actions like this — while still not expressly acknowledging China IS taking actions like this.

This is a classic Idries Shah issue of more than two sides. The camps exist. They're not vocational camps. But they may not be as bad as US claims. And US claims are being made in the light of geopolitics. But, that doesn't mean the claims are totally wrong. And, I wrote that all in 30 seconds. Wasn't hard, was it? More than two sides, folks.

While we're here? Let's add lies by omission by the China-stanners.

That would include ignoring Xi Jinping upping tensions with India to the point of warmongering.

Then, there's the ignoring the complaints many developing nations have had over Chinese economic exploitation in Belt and Road Initiative projects. What's the Mandarian equivalent of "Coca-Colonialism"?

Flowers' response confirms why I made the right decision in not voting for president last year. And, should the Georgia GP be "de-accredited," that will confirm I have made the right decision in no longer identifying as a Green.