SocraticGadfly: Blyleven (Bert)
Showing posts with label Blyleven (Bert). Show all posts
Showing posts with label Blyleven (Bert). Show all posts

July 24, 2011

Congrats Bert Blyleven, a top-20 pitcher

Bert Blyleven
I previously posted about Bert Blyleven, in my opinion one of the top 20 MLB pitchers of all time, when he was finally elected to the Hall of Fame.

Don't believe me? He's 27 in career wins, 14th in innings pitched, ninth in shutouts, 11th in starts, 13th in wins above replacement for pitchers and 43rd in wins above replacement for all players. And still, in today's whiff-heavy era, No. 5 in strikeouts.

Well, today was induction day. Blyleven, top-notch second baseman Robbie Alomar and Pat Gillick, a very good baseball executive with several teams, including Alomar's World Series-winning Toronto Blue Jays, all were honored.

There's an interesting sidebar, which probably hasn't happened before in any induction of three or more people. All three have significant non-American histories.

Blyleven was born in the Netherlands. Alomar has his best years in Toronto; his top two years were their 1992-93 World Series teams. And Pat Gillick was GM for those teams.

And Bert? Per Jim Caple, consider yourself circled. In the HOF.

January 05, 2011

Bert made it! - and steroids "made it" too

Bert Blyleven had finally made the Hall of Fame, as has Robbie Alomar. (That said, even with all the years of enlightening more people, it's still sad he got "only" 79 percent, while Alomar zoomed past him, in his second year of eligibility to 90 percent. The biggest "issue" with Alomar is his career negative dWAR. Not sure whether it's more him being overrated by us all these years or more an issue with dWAR.

That said, per complete ballot information at Baseball-Reference.com's home page, it's clear the steroid era's fallout is looming large.

Jeff Bagwell failed to break 50 percent.
Rafael Palmeiro barely broke 10 percent.
Mark McGwire fell back below 20 percent.

Other interestings?

Barry Larkin moved up more than 10 percentage points. He may be there next year.

Jack Morris may have plateaued. (I hope.)

Edgar Martinez may have plateaued, but it's too early to tell.

January 04, 2011

ESPN's HOF fluffers don't like Blyleven

With all the "fluffers" among ESPN's baseball writers, as far as Hall of Fame voting, Bert Blyleven STILL barely makes the cut there.

The fluffery includes Jayson Stark actually wanting to vote for 12 people on this year's ballot.

Of course, on Blyleven, ESPN readers are even worse; apparently, all the sabermetrics still hasn't enlightened a magic 75 percent.

January 01, 2011

Who would you vote back OUT of the MLB HOF - pitchers

I have been a strong defender of voting Bert Blyleven into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. I've been at least as adamant about keeping Jack Morris out.

That leads to this question:

Among post-1900 players now in the Hall of Fame, whom would you remove?

Here’s the list of all pitchers.

And, the list of all hitters.

I’ll also simplify by ruling out all players who were Negro League inductees.

That said, before we get started, I have a bone to pick, a small one, with Baseball-Reference’s HOF lists. The comparative sabermetric tools we value, like WAR, OPS+ and ERA+? Why aren’t they included on these lists? It would make the comparisons much easier.

And, why are HOF pitchers who ever, more than once, swung a bat in their lives, listed again under the “batters” category? Ditto for managers who had a cup of coffee in the major leagues.

That said, on to the matter of hand. This post, I tackle pitchers.

I use two basic stats for starting the analysis, then bring in a third.

Those stats? WHIP and ERA+. Pitchers can control their walks, and, with partial allowance for the quality of fielding behind them and the size of park in which they pitch, can still, by pitch location, etc., control their hits surrendered. So, WHIP is a good comparison measure. And, from how well they bear down against batters when they have runners on base, how well they hold those runners, etc., they can control ERA, and ergo, ERA+, pretty well.

My standards? A HOF-worthy pitcher should have an ERA+ of 110 or better AND a WHIP of 1.25 or lower. Miss one or the other, and I’ll start raising an eyebrow. Miss both, and I’ll raise both eyebrows. If a pitcher just barely misses both, then the third comparison stat — WAR — comes into play.

Anyway, among pitchers that I would consider voting out would be Red Faber, Waite Hoyt, Clark Griffith (he was inducted as a player), Bob Lemon (he was the Jack Morris of his time), Burleigh Grimes, Jesse Haines, TEd Lyons, Hal Newhouser (got lucky to pitch during WWII, take those years away and he’s mediocre), Eppa Rixey, Red Ruffing, and possibly even Early Wynn. (If sabermetrics have taught us that wins aren’t the only thing to matter for a Cy Young award or even a Hall of Fame election, then, if metrics otherwise are bad enough, then we shouldn’t blanche at considering the possibility of ejecting a 300-game winner. AND, Wynn’s other metrics ARE bad. An ERA+ of only 107 and a WHIP of a horrible 1.329. Throw in the fact that his WAR is only 50.2, and outdoes Jack Morris in the definition of “lucky pitcher.”)

And, as discriminating baseball buffs know, there are unlucky pitchers, too. Felix Hernandez just last year. Or Bob Gibson, who somehow managed to “lose” nine games in 1968 despite a 1.12 ERA.

The pitchers I would consider throwing out of the HOF remind us, again, of why we need to keep the Jack Morrises of the world from getting in there in the first place.

November 21, 2008

Mike Mussina — Hall of Famer, or not?

King Kaufman makes a strong argument without legislative approval.

I’m not sure he should be a first-rounder, but I think he should qualify.

Or, following up Kaufman, and with statistical analysis to back it up, per Baseball-Reference.com:

Mike Mussina, almost to a T, is Bert Blyleven.

Look at the bottom of both players’ pages and the HOF-related numbers.

So, Yankee fans, and Yankee baseball-writing fans (and yes, you exist) — if you do want to vote the Moose in, you have to vote Bert in first.

January 10, 2008

My MLB Hall of Fame thoughts

First, it’s good the Goose is in there. Gossage has long been deserving.

Second, no to Jim Rice. Not enough years played, not that good an outfielder, not that good a batter outside Fenway.

Andre Dawson? Still on the bubble for me. Those who say he should be a sure-fire HOFer, compare his career and Fred McGriff’s. Do you believe Crime Dog is as much a HOFer as Hawk, allowing for two fewer years played? Extrapolate out, and McGriff, who still played 19 years himself, breaks 500 homers, has more RBIs and runs scored than Hawk. He already has a much higher OBP and fairly higher OPS as well as somewhat higher slugging and BA. As for any steroids issue, Crime Dog and Hawk overlap enough that McGriff’s best years were in a lower-power era. He won two HR titles and didn’t hit 40 either time. McGriff also, on teams that often had more batters than Hawk’s Cubs, actually got more intentional walks.

Yes, 1B is supposed to have more sluggers. But, McGriff was also one of the better fielders of his day, there.

So, be reasonable. If Hawk is a HOFer, Crime Dog has basically the same argument. So, why does only the one get all the publicity?

Bert Blyleven? Should be in. Jack Morris? Not, at least not easily. Swap the teams the two pitched for over their careers, and Blyleven would have won well more than 300. Morris would have won about 220-225.

Dale Murphy? A very good player for several years and a nice guy. But, did he ever have that intimidation factor? Not really. And, a .265 BA. Sorry, Murph, but no.