SocraticGadfly: 6/8/25 - 6/15/25

June 13, 2025

Courts should take a fresh look at the issue of "animal personhood"?

Reason magazine has a very good article on this subject.

The introductory portion notes that, while in the United States, both state and federal courts have routinely rejected this item, it's gotten at least some degree of traction elsewhere. 

Then, after noting the snarker or worse here:

Critics scoff that this amounts to little more than absurdist lawfare and that legal recognition of animal personhood would almost certainly empower busybody environmentalists—and might not even improve conditions for the animals. There are also public pressure campaigns and existing legal avenues that could improve animal welfare without attempting to shift one of the bedrock principles of Western law.

It indeed has been absurdist in the hands of the Nonhuman Rights Project mentioned near the top of the piece. I wrote about their chimpanzee push at the time it happened, with an updated edit near the end about the elephant personhood issue.

That said, it doesn't have to be that way, and they and the even more odious PETA aren't the only players on the one side of this legal issue. 

It ends this first section by noting it's a real issue.

But the question at the heart of these cases—whether a nonhuman entity can have a cognizable liberty interest—has surprisingly deep implications, not just for animals but for human freedom and flourishing. Research into artificial intelligence (AI) may eventually run into similar ethical considerations. 
"There's a lot of tension because I think that the law just hasn't really caught up with our own sensibilities," says Christopher Berry, executive director of the Nonhuman Rights Project. "Primarily courts are trying to police a boundary between humans and animals and not recognizing that things don't always fall into a neat dichotomy."

And then, we move forward. 

We revisit the demarcation problem mentioned above in more detail, while Reason also notes the possible influence of changing mores:

Francis of Assisi, the Catholic saint said to have preached to birds and tamed a wolf, may have considered all of Animalia his brothers and sisters, but U.S. courts have strenuously rejected that proposition. 
In legal philosophy, everything is either a person or a thing. A horse isn't a person, so it's a thing. Even if a horse could talk, even if it could do advanced algebra in front of a judge, it would be a thing, and the most protection a thing can have under the law is as a piece of property. 
This was widely accepted back when animals were commonly understood to be commodities. But changing social mores have left many Americans feeling troubled by some of the implications. 
Berry cites a 2013 case where the Texas Supreme Court ruled that an owner suing over the negligent death of his pet dog was entitled only to the fair market value of the dog and that pet owners could never recoup damages for emotional or noneconomic losses. 
"What the Texas Supreme Court ended up admitting actually was that if you had a taxidermied dog that was a family heirloom, you could receive sentimental damages for that, but you could not receive anything beyond the market value for a family dog who was alive and was killed," Berry says. 
A beloved family pet is also property under the Fourth Amendment, protecting them from unreasonable government "seizures" (read: killings). This allows owners to sue when a police officer shoots their dog, but it turns an ugly experience into a bloodless abstraction.

Well put. 

Or so it seems.

In U.S. jurisprudence, would certain discipline for pets fall under cruel and unusual punishment? What about an apartment dog, kept inside all day, and not even taken for a walk every day? I've written about the non-personhood of pets, more in the psychological than legal sense of non-personhood as they're treated by their owners.

Speaking of? The piece later notes that here in the U.S., state laws on animal cruelty are a patchwork and are also often loosely enforced. It says that granting animals at least a moderate liberty interest might rectify that.

The article next counters the one obvious rejoinder:

The obvious problem with extending legal personhood to animals is that an orca can't file a lawsuit. It requires an interested party to do so on its own behalf. Opponents of legal personhood say it's obvious who will end up filing these suits: environmentalists. 
Animal rights groups counter that plenty of human beings need legal advocates as well. Children, people with mental disabilities, and senior citizens regularly require legal guardians to advocate for their best interests. (Unfortunately, there have been plenty of cases of corrupt guardians acting in their self-interest.)

And, it then notes that there are degrees to current personhood:

The [Animal Legal Defense Fund's] Flint also says there are degrees of legal personhood, and that personhood doesn't mean that animals would suddenly have the right to vote or that every zoo would be emptied. He says the U.S. court granting hippos status as "interested persons" is an example of the sort of "procedural personhood" that the ALDF supports.

That part, tis true. For leftists, and some libertarians, who bitch about corporate personhood, for example? It's much more limited than personhood for actual people, and arguably is better than no corporate personhood. With leftists, or more, leftish environmentalists like the Green Party, I have addressed these wrongful claims in detail.

Because it's Reason, it goes on to talk about the Property and Environment Research Center, a libertarian environmental org for whom "the free market" is the answer for this as for everything. That said, not everything they say is wrong, and that that said, what they say that's good doesn't preclude legal answers as well.

And, the last-graf closing is good, overall:

The point of the animal personhood cases isn't to play it safe, though. It may be a niche and largely unsuccessful legal movement, but it also asks tough questions about animals, autonomy, and our relationship to the natural world that will only grow more acute as we learn more about the creatures with which we share the Earth. The law reflects human values, and the consideration we give to other creatures ultimately says more about us than them.

Indeed, and because of the demarcation problem, this doesn't have easy answers. 

But, we're not done.

There's additional demarcation problems.

For example, the author seems to accord octopi much more intelligence than I do.

She doesn't address issues like James Harrod claiming chimps are religious; tying even a limited liberty interest to that might next lead somebody to invoke First Amendment issues. 

And, she doesn't address the New Age nutters claming plants are intelligent and conscious. 

June 12, 2025

"Pergressuve" Dems will start fellating David Hogg, if they aren't already

The DNC removed the fauxgressive from his VP position last night.

But, but, he wanted to undercut traditional Democrats.

With what? 

More of the same.

He won't challenge Zionism.

He won't challenge Nat-Sec Nutsacks on Ukraine.

His "Leaders we Deserve" on their one touted success? Palestinian-Americans think that Maxwell Frost is a sellout

Where does Hogg stand on climate change? Stronger unionism? National healthcare?

In the shitter.

Per A Current Affair, he backs Hakeem Jeffries and Nancy Pelosi. Nuff ced. 

Well, no, per my rhetorical questions? Let's quote that piece:

Despite this rhetoric, Leaders We Deserve currently offers no policies on its website. There’s no mention of Medicare for All, no Green New Deal, no commitment to organized labor, no mention of campaign finance reform, and no stance on Gaza1—just vague reformism and pop-up ads asking for money. “Sure, he has said he is for gun laws, healthcare for all, and free college,” Yasmin Nair writes of Hogg. “[B]ut there is scant evidence that he thinks all of this is tied to a political agenda: it’s all a cynical move to elect people into office.”

There you are.

Wait, no; this footnote at the bottom of the piece, the "1" in the block quote above, explicated:

Notably, Hogg has said almost nothing about the genocide in Gaza—the most urgent moral crisis of our time—apart from a meandering, nervous response when pressed by Bill Maher to condemn student pro-Palestine protesters. In a Rolling Stone interview, he acknowledged that Gaza was “emblematic of the fact that people felt like we were not listening to them—that we didn’t care.” But it’s still strange that someone who became an activist after surviving a school shooting would have so little to say about entire universities being leveled by U.S.-made bombs.

THERE you are. 

I already know this; that's why my questions are rhetorical. 

That said, that ACA piece has its own problems, starting with it running Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Justice Democrats up the flagpole and saluting them. 

Can Canada's NDP survive?

It's a tough question, raised by Canada's rough equivalent of Harper's, The Walrus.

They say it won't be easy.

They note the "Third Way" has hit all Western social democratic parties. Compounding this, the New Democratic Party never was as strong as Germany's Social Democrats or Britain's Labour.

But, the NDP joined them in creating self-inflicted pain.

And, just-resigned former leader Jagmeet Singh arguably botched it by entering the confidence and supply agreement with Liberals, arguably getting too little from it, arguably exiting too late, and exiting at a point a Liberal loss would be blamed on them.

So, many NDPers acted kind of like DSA Roseys in the US, and halfway sheepdogged for the Liberals. Certainly, many rank and file jumped ship. 

There's other problems, going back nearly 15 years.

Jack Layton caved into Canada's version of a professional class, and the NDP started moving rightward then, at least partially unmooring from his party's roots. Then came the whole fiasco of how Tom Mulcair replaced Layton. 

And, that professional class and its inside-NDP enablers don't want to accept the messages of this election:

Left-wing politics in Canada appears to be at a crossroads. The NDP just suffered a spectacular defeat. Certainly, there will be a battle for the party’s soul. But the party establishment is not interested in ceding control and seems not to have really gotten the message. They want a quick leadership race where only “serious” candidates run, with an entry fee of $150,000, five times what it was in 2017 when Singh ran for leader.

Oy. 

What gets me is why Jagmeet Singh did the confidence and supply agreement with Liberals when Pretty Boy Trudeau had already sabotaged electoral reform. This piece says that, along with European-style labor representation on corporate boards, laws boosting employee coops, a national bank and more, have to be part of a new NDP agenda. After all, much of this was part of Tommy Douglas' original agenda.

The opportunity is there. That piece, from a left-liberal Canadian site, notes new Prime Minister Mark Carney is already moving rightward. 

And so, from south of the border, if Carney keeps raising the word "Canadianism," or the phrase "Elbows Up," or the bogeyman of Trump, even while continuing that rightward move the NDP has to avoid getting suckered. And, they need to get a new party head elected soon, and someone from outside Layton's professional-managerial-consultant group.

June 11, 2025

Texas Progressives talk THC and other Lege issue

Off the Kuff still thinks Greg Abbott will not veto the THC ban bill.

Riffing on this year's Lege session, SocraticGadfly first snarks about the death of the Lottery Commission killing Miriam Adelson's casino dreams (if she and Patrick Dumont get that), then goes Johnny Cash on the student cellphone ban bill.

Tex-ass Rethuglicans: Hypocrites on college tuition rates for Ill Eagles.

Tex-ass Rethuglicans: Ongoing hypocrites on E-Verify.

OSHA has a public hearing on a worker heat protection bill June 16. The Observer wonders what will happen.

Neil at Houston Democracy Project said it was good 3 councilmembers voted no on WhitmireĆ¢€™s regressive budget & Council chambers did not need to be cleared when there was protest against budget.

The Texas Observer rounds up the anti-LGBTQ+ bills that were passed.  

The Barbed Wire reports on some malicious compliance ideas for the Ten Commandments bill.  

Your Local Epidemiologist sorts fact from chaos about COVID vaccines for pregnant people and babies. Franklin Strong analyzes the current strategies of the professional book banners.

The Dallas Observer attended Rob Schneider's latest standup show so you don't have to, not that you would have. 

 Evil MoPac got to ask Willie Nelson a few questions.

June 10, 2025

AOC is totally an official Democrap toady now

AOC of course being the possible, but maybe no longer totally accepted by them, DSA Rosey Democrat Congresscritter from New York, and Millennial Democrap Congresscritter "influencer," Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

The reason for my header, and the reason for saying the DSA Roseys — many of whom have gotten enlightened since Oct. 7, 2023 — may not totally accept her is that she claims Elias Rodriguez' alleged murder of Israeli embassy personnel is due to antisemitism.

NOT due to a misguided version of antizionism, but antisemitism.

That's per Ken Klippenstein, who earlier this week reported on this issue, namely on federal law enforcement's interpretation of Rodriguez's manifesto and other things.

The feds clearly think this is about antizionism, not antisemitism.

Ken's piece needs an extensive pull quote, and it gets it:

Moments after the murder of two Israeli Embassy aides in Washington, virtually every political leader from Donald Trump to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez blamed the attack on antisemitism, a charge echoed by the media and law enforcement.
But a new intelligence report I’ve obtained from the Department of Homeland Security sees things differently — so much so that I was honestly shocked reading it.
Extraordinary in its candor, the report says what our leaders would not: that the attack was “motivated by the Israel-HAMAS conflict.”

Black and white, there it is.

Ken talks about how the AOCs and Donald Trumps and Richie Torreses of inside the Beltway continue to try to pretend this away, but can't. He then gets back to that report:

The intelligence report acknowledges the simmering rage, warning of the “enduring resonance of these grievances” — another obvious point, but one you won’t see on the news or from officialdom.
Produced on May 23, the internal assessment was pried loose by a Freedom of Information Act request by Ryan Shapiro of the transparency nonprofit Property of the People, which provided me with an exclusive copy.
The assessment, which makes no mention of antisemitism, notes that the murder of the two Israeli aides in Washington “follows eight previous [Hamas] conflict-inspired US attacks or plots,” going on to cite the arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro’s house as an example.
“The alleged perpetrator,” the report says, “referenced his support for the Palestinian people as rationale for the attack.”

There we are.

Let's add that she has claimed to be a tiny bit Sephardi Jew, a claim I've not heard her substantiate and whose JAP-ness I rejected at the time I heard it.

June 09, 2025

AOC's non-hypocritical hypocrisy, Trump's parade, Ukraine, more

A few tidbits pulled from around the interwebz:

Per Ken Klippenstein, even AOC blamed Elias Gonzales' actions on antisemitism, not a violence-misguided version of antizionism.

It's why, per Ryan Grim's Substack note, I expect her to be a sellout on any Congressional resolution calling the phrase "Free Palestine" antisemitic. If she is, we'll see how Grim reports it, given his past bromancing of her.

Hence, the "non-hypocritical hypocrisy."

I will be looking in more detail at this issue tomorrow, but not knowing when the congressional resolution might come up, wanted this out first. And here you are.

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I like me some Joe Costello, but the idea that Jerry Brown, especially being advised by Pat Caddell, was the guy to fix American presidential politics in 1992 is laughable. It also partially undermines Costello's credibility in deconstructing Democratic politics.

Caddell screwed Jimmy Carter over the "malaise" speech and was an informal advisor to Trump in 2016, as I have written. Costello knows all of this, and the former was likely known to him at the time of the Brown 1992 campaign, as was the fact that Brown was even more of a neolib than Carter 1976.

Brown was also a hypocrite on Cal water rights as governor, between his two incarnations, and more.

Sadly, Costello talks little to nothing about Mo Udall among past Dem presidential candidates.

Interestingly, in his next piece, Costello admits he had never heard of Murray Bookchin until just recently. That would be the Bookchin who crushingly deconstructed Bernie Sanders. I was going to tell him that, but forgot only paid subscribers can comment and Ghost doesn't appear to allow "restacks."

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You quickly hit Medium's paywall, but this piece suggests we shouldn't overestimate the Ukrainian drone attack on Russian air bases.

John Mearsheimer touches on both that and the INCREDIBLY stupid US geopolitics behind assisting Ukraine on this.

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Trump's "big birthday parade" June 14 is also the 250th anniversary of the US Army's formation. Even a leftist like Chris Hedges misses that, and misses the opportunity to critique American militarism before criticizing Trump.