Does Hersh have a "live one" on COVID, Trump 1.0 and WIV, or was he set up?

Or, as my Substack note said about Seymour Hersh's paywalled piece last week:

Does Sy Hersh have a live fish here, or did some winger bait his hook with a dead minnow, like with Butowsky (and people behind him) and Seth Rich, for which Sy remains largely unrepentant, AFAIK?

And, let's dive in, and I'll link to old Blogger pieces about Sy, too. The nutgraf, quoted in full, is the second paragraph and the last before the paywall:

I learned this week that a US intelligence asset at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, where the Covid virus was first observed, is safe and out of danger. The asset, highly regarded within the CIA, was recruited while in graduate school in the United States and provided early warning of a laboratory accident at Wuhan that led to a series of infections that was quickly spreading and initially seemed immune to treatment. As is the case today, many senior US officials were reluctant to tell the president what he did not want to hear. But early studies dealing with how to mitigate the oncoming plague, based on information from the Chinese health ministry about the lethal new virus, were completed late in 2019 by experts from America’s National Institutes of Health and other research agencies. Despite their warnings, a series of preventative actions were not taken until the United States was flooded with cases of the virus. All of these studies, I have been told, have been expunged from the official internal records in Washington, including any mention of the CIA's source inside the Chinese laboratory. It was a cover-up to protect a president who did not do the right thing.

OK, more analysis, stemming from my note.

First, per the Butowsky link, there's a possibility that Hersh is a willing fellow traveler, and as part of that, there's some axes he has to grind, unbeknownst to me what they are. Or maybe this is firing a shot across Trump's bow in some way. (He's not paying attention to you, Sy.)

Let's start with Sy's first piece, after his "hello world" one, on Substack, about the Nord Stream pipeline demolition, and my take on it.

I said there that, even if the big picture was right, he got a lot of details wrong. I also added that, if nothing else, he may have gotten "Fisked." (That said, as with the late Robert Fisk, that happens more easily if the journalist is a willing dance partner.) 

I also noted Mark Ames, and Bernhard at Moon of Alabama, as too willing to give Sy blank checks. In fact, since I've had run-ins with Bernard and MOA before, I wrote a separate brief call-out. Related to Ames? I noted that Sy's piece — and Mark's Radio War Nerd about it — had brought plenty of nutters out of the woodwork, many related to Julian Assange in general, and Seth Rich in particular.

Rather than being Fisked, as another option, I wondered back then if Sy was ax-grinding. Possible on this issue as well. (Trump ain't listening.)

As far as Sy's past? Yes, he got My Lai right. And other things. He was totally wrong about Obama's Abbottabad raid on Osama bin Laden, and perhaps in part either due to ax-grinding, being Fisked, or both.

And, long ago, Sy's "The Dark Side of Camelot," per my linked review, was as much, if not more, miss than hit, and some of the misses were straight-on laughable.

So, sorry, Sy and/or minders? No desire to "claim my free post" and be spammed or something. It's not worth it to figure out whether this is more a Fisking or more an ax-grinding piece, and I'm confident that it's NOT more a "reality" piece.

Since I wrote this, he's gotten worse. "Is Trump in Cognitive Decline," Oct. 7, paywalled. Or, Sept. 17, the first of a three-part series about explaining AI, with the fun of Hersh talking about "the cloud" and the Captain Obvious of the person who's interviewed in all three parts talking about AI's electricity use. No shit.

Eight months of being Sy Hersh red-pilled about Nord Stream 2

A couple of weeks ago, Seymour Hersh wrote on Substack: "A YEAR OF LYING ABOUT NORD STREAM" (sic on the all caps).

And, my title, without the screaming all-caps header, is because it was eight months ago that Sy was apparently red-pilled (and trying to red-pill others) half-willingly due to possible ax-grinding, and perhaps that ax-grinding not all his own. And, per a set-up piece a week ago, as Sy showed inwriting about Osama bin Laden and Abbottford, his aa-grinding is nothing new.

 

As for the details? I still stand by the idea of ax-grinding, and I still think the Navy Seals are Sy's most likely target. That willingness to ax-grind lets him be red-pilled as far as the big picture, and fed enough erroneous information that the #BlueAnon wing of Nat-Sec Nutsacks™ can not only mock him for everything he gets wrong but use it to deny US involvement.

In all likelihood, it just may have been the Seals who did this.

There's no way we've uptrained a Ukrainian team that much; the yacht idea comes off as something else floated out there as a distractor. Russia wouldn't cut its own throat. Germany might be able to pull this off, unlike Ukraine, but wouldn't have actually done so without a US sign-off.

So, that leaves Merikkka, only in a much less complicated way.

Whoever Hersh's source is could have fed him some deliberately contaminated information, knowing he'd run with it, get mocked not only by the Nat-Sec Nutsacks™but the Op-Sec type world in general, even if not nutsacks, and beyond that, leftists like me and Jeff St. Clair for how much he had wrong, thus getting the MSM to laugh and to buy the government line that Russia did it.

Looking closely at Sy Hersh's nuttery on Osama bin Laden.

And, nuttery it is, not only as a conspiracy theory, but Hersh's apparent first ax-grinding against the Navy Seals, as I noted when first discussing his Nord Stream nuttery, or even more, the second piece about his ax-grinding. This is a prequel to another piece about Sy coming up. The original wound up being too long, and so is split.

In reality, the Seals that Sy seems to hate are likely saboteurs without all the cloak-and-dagger overhead that Hersh painted. I mean, look at how smoothly, overall, the bin Laden raid went. So smoothly that Sy had to paint a line of BS on that one, too. And that, in turn, ties back to his ax-grinding.

Let's look at that more.

To be blunt, it's conspiracy-theory mongering. Hersh claims:

The White House’s story might have been written by Lewis Carroll: would bin Laden, target of a massive international manhunt, really decide that a resort town forty miles from Islamabad would be the safest place to live and command al-Qaida’s operations? He was hiding in the open.

That this mission, as portrayed, didn't actually happen. At the same time, he claims it did happen as portrayed, only that bin Laden was an Inter-Services Intelligence prisoner.

Hersh never explains how bin Laden was arrested, in this case. Nor why the ISI arrested him, yet put him in Abbotabad. He does offer a "why" on his arrest, but is it plausible? The Taliban existed before bin Laden and al Qaeda relocated to Afghanistan. If push came to shove, they might "walk" on him. From there, like the typical conspiracy, Hersh cuts himself while trying to shave with something other than Ockham's Razor.

The biggest ridiculousness is that this much manpower would have been wasted on a mission if it were just kill-and-destroy. I mean, this IS Dear Leader, the man who had already drone-killed an American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki.

Once should also note that this piece, just like Sy's Nord Stream piece, relies not on anonymous sourceS but source, singular. Per the link at top, yeah, Sy's track record isn't good in a lot of things. And, in things like the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, he's been willing enough, even gullible enough, to stick himself on a limb that can easily be sawn off.

And, specific to this story, with lone-source reliance, we also seem to have something else similar to Nord Stream. "Dirty" intelligence, with enough chaff in it to leave Hersh open for undermining once he publishes.

Moon of Alabama tries to have its cake and eat it on Sy Hersh

Via John Helmer, Moon of Alabama appears to be wanting to have his cake and eat it too, from the left. After claiming both that Sy largely got things correct AND that he had reported similarly in September, 80 percent of his post is about "a few corrections" to Hersh's narrative. (MoA also ignores both that Hersh has never reported on Russia AND, like other blank-check fans of Sy's, that he got bin Laden all wrong, or Not.Even.Wrong, and that he was willing to bite into the Seth Rich apple.)

At the same time, MoA links to a piece of his own from last September, where he claims to have solved it. More problems? It's possible he's right that Poland was involved in some way. But, that would be an entirely different operation than what Hersh describes, not just correcting around the corners. At a minimum, MoA sounds more right than Sy, but again, this is trying to have one's cake and eat it, too. Finally, on that piece, his peculations were not his alone. And, I don't know if all of his ship-siting stands up to Oliver Alexander's OSINT debunking of Hersh, either.

Also, I can't remember exactly what it was over, and whether on his blog site or on Twitter, but, long ago, I had some sort of run-in with Bernhard. I want to say, despite the number of leftist or quasi-leftist links in its links list, it was MoA being some sort of Mark Ames-type tribalist on US foreign affairs. I've not blogged about it here. And, given that he seems to be a tribalist twosider on the possibility of a WIV lab leak, to the degree that he's willing to accuse Snowden of being a US government propagandist, that probably WAS it, especially given he embeds Ames' tweet on the issue.

Seymour Hersh has brought nutters out of the woodwork

A few observations of mine, based on various posts by others, and comments at said posts, in reaction to his Nord Stream fan fiction. Much of what follows has been edited and expanded from my original take on Sy's piece.

Much of this comes from Mark Ames' Radio War Nerd interview with Sy. And, that's where I'll start.

• Ames himself? I have for some time said that I don't consider him a Russian agent. He's criticized Russian war operations in Ukraine enough, and Moscow leadership at least somewhat. But, his own contrarianism or whatever on Skripal? Him and Yasha Levine laughing over US names for Russian SVR operations like "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear," even when the operations themselves were real (even if low budget, etc)? "Useful idiots" isn't the right word for people like him, and "fellow travelers" isn't, either. Maybe we need to use a phrase like "sympathetic flacks." Or, "slippery," as one of his commenters called Hersh.

But, whatever the phrase, I'm tightening up again on the amount of slack I'll give him. Another way of putting it? He's not Matt Taibbi. But, he is, as I've said before, in the same general vein as an Aaron Maté: reflexive anti-Americanism on foreign policy that itself becomes twosidered.

Ames' reaction on Twitter to the recent DOE statement about a possible COVID lab leak at Wuhan Institute of Virology underscores that. I quote-tweeted him "back" noting that actual leftists like Sam Husseini also believe in the reality of a lab leak; ain't just mainstream media.

On Hersh, he probably won't interview St. Clair, as I suggested on RWN, in response to another comment of mine:

Seriously, this is what the whole "omg Hersh was a Seth Rich sucker" thing is about? Some guy talking to Hersh, claiming he heard a mountain where hersh said it was a molehill, and that's supposed to affect Hersh's credibility as a journalist? Bad faith twaddle. If it's not clear already, Hersh talking is a lot wilder and pinball-minded than Hersh in print, which is what he should be judged by. Here is what St Clair's article hyperlinks to as proof Hersh was some kind of Seth Rich truther: https://www.cpr.org/2017/08/01/behind-fox-news-baseless-seth-rich-story-the-untold-tale/

OK, Mark. And, re Radio War Nerd invites? You follow John Helmer on Twitter; if you don't want St. Clair, have HELMER on. (That's not happening either, I know; "follow" not only doesn't mean "agree on most" but also doesn't mean "agree on some.") That's the John Helmer who, from the independent left, called out Hersh early on.

And, OK to commenters who are going to try to spin this, and are going to cite the likes of Gateway Pundit in doing so. I also told him that he was welcome to interview St. Clair himself and that I had already said that in another comment.

But, while we're here, let's remember that the RNC as well as DNC was hacked and that Congresscritter Mike McCaul, not just the likes of Comey, said so, before the RNC told him to shut up. Let's also note that McCaul, pre-Congress, was counterterrorism prosecutor for the DOJ. I'll confess to not thinking about that enough at the time.

Ames wasn't the only person cutting blank checks to Seth Rich, or close to it, by any means, though.

• Let's take this from Magic Mikey:

Craig Murray sacrificed his career to expose his own governments involvement in the use of torture during the war on terror. He's nobodies flunky.

Sorry, or "sorry." First, Murray did indeed do that, before he hooked up with early-era Assange, but he's continued to defend Assange lock, stock and barrel since Julian went far beyond being a journalist (if he ever was) to being Putin's flunky. Second, lots of people destroy their careers for bad reasons. Note: I've engaged with Murray on Twitter before; he has in the past "tailed off" when I brought up Seth Rich. Per that link, no, I don't think Assange is a journo. Murray has also indicated, indirectly, that Assange knew the provenance of the DNC emails by the end of 2016. I do think, per what I said above about Ames, that Murray IS a "useful idiot" even if not getting paid to be one.

• And, another "fun" comment at RWN, this from Stephen Jones:

I can't speak to anyone else's thoughts on Seth Rich, but I'm a total "sucker" for the idea that there's something fishy about an unsolved murder of a DNC staffer in the midst of high-powered deception about who stole what from servers. A situation so frought that the most illustrious media, academic, and government institutions and celebrities created a Russiagate fraud and crisis of confidence that has led Americans to crippling pathological paranoia... and the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.

I gave him my blog post with the RNC/McCaul info, noting the RNC being hacked was a big counterargument to this. 

• Mohamed Dalmer claims "data discrepancies." I told him I'd been down the Forensicator/Patrick Lawrence road and spoken with Duncan Campbell. As in this long piece also refudiating the Bill Binneys that Craig Murray said I should talk to, but talking to the Thomas Drakes.

• But, it wasn't just Radio War Nerd that I read. The first hot take I saw on Hersh was from a (Danish? Danish-American?) Nat-Sec Nutsack or fellow traveler, Oliver Alexander. Helmer, three weeks later, calls him "The Danish offshoot of Bellingcat." And, rightly so. His claim that Russian subs "did it" is even stupider (and, more contradicted by facts) than Hersh's piece.

I haven't even mentioned Taibbi, who I haven't seen peddling Sy on Twitter, or Aaron Maté, whom I have, and who I reminded yesterday was hauled around by the nose a couple of years ago in Syria by some of Bashar al-Assad's minders, as reported by Ken Silverstein and others. As for Maté's claims that US journos were afraid to ask German Chancellor Olaf Scholz anything when he was with Warmonger Joe in DC, there's no NEED to ask him anything. Helmer has the goods on that, too.

• If I thought Oliver Alexander was a Nat-Sec Nutsack, one of the commenters on his site, Andrew Benjamin, is so in spades on his own Substack, where he dives into an empty pool to smear Hersh. As I told him:

You've got your whole body coated in Nat-Sec Nutsacks oil. Talk about a hit job piece. Calling Hersh a "Marxist" is the piece of cake. You're in-credible, whatever you may say in follow-up. Your claim that "Views Askew is the IDEOLOGY-FREE ZONE" is laughable bullshit. No, it's not even laughable. It's just bullshit.

What else is there to say?

That Benjamin is an even bigger mouth-breather. He called me this:

Cute for a Tuckerite cultist to call serious people with serious creds, or even myself who is on the scene, "laughable BS." Hey Socrates, have you ever been in the area? Have you photographed the Russian navy preparing to invade Ukraine as I have? I don't think anyone who refers to conspiracist, anantisemitic and pro-Jihadist websites such as Mondoweiss has any business lecturing people who live in the real world. I assume you also don't like Jews much, do you? On your front page. Mondoweiss My diagnosis is PTSD: Fida Jiryis and our ongoing Nakba

My brief response included asking him if Phil Weiss is a self-hating Jew, the obligatory "anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism," and accusing him back of Bullshit self-Derangement Syndrome. BDS!  

And, with his reply, linking to a piece that talks in depth about the self-hating Jew and with the phrase "Jew Flu," just wow.

Beyond that? I find this person scary in some ways, and definitely "rabid."

• I got four comments at RWN from one dude, nameless with a cat icon. He said I was full of shit, asked why anybody would want St. Clair's opinion while also saying Counterpunch has gone downhill and most its content is "syndicated" elsewhere, and called Craig Murray an alcoholic.

My thoughts? In answering him, I said on full of shit, maybe he was infamous Catturd. On St. Clair, I noted that he, re Assange and the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, had three-plus years ago talked about "the more credulous precincts of the left." Beyond that? On Craig Murray, per Murray's own website, he's probably right — Murray sounds like an alcoholic in huge denial. Given his history of depression, suicidal thoughts and physical health ailments, most if not all of which probably tie to the sauce, he needs to get his ass out of denial. Per his Wikipedia page, which I had never checked before, he was reportedly drunk on the job while British ambassador to Uzbekistan, which, unlike the diplomatic issues, he apparently has never contested. He also is officially a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist. And, Counterpunch has long co-published stuff from other sites; it's the way smaller opinion journals of the left — and also often the right — work.

He later apologized for being intemperate, and I've apologized for calling him Catturd in response, because the real Catturd would never apologize. I also said that I don't totally agree with everything at Counterpunch.

• Another commenter at RWN, a Joshua Davies suggested that Ty Clevenger had some new bombshell re Seth Rich, posting a Twitter link. I sent back my, not one (his "origin story"), not two, but three most relevant blog posts about Ty, noting his broader dishonesty, not just on this. Seriously? Believing Clevenger and suggesting him to me is a grade-A way to lose.

• On Twitter, not muted as not a #NAFO, but muted conversation about these issues with a guy named Naphta. British non-skeptical leftists seen as thick as American ones. He's interesting otherwise, looking at his feed, so not muted period, just the conversation.

• That said, people like him are why I'm a skeptical leftist, as noted in the header. And, if you're skeptical of "them" but not "us," you're not really skeptical, and you're a contributor to twosiderism and tribalism. Per the words of St. Clair a few years ago, in re the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, things like this make me glad I am NOT part of "the more credulous precincts of the left."

• Speaking of, and re Sy himself, is he actually engaged in deliberate disinformation, ie, pro-Russia angles? Beyond Nat-Sec Nutsacks™ making that claim, via Dick Tofel, so does Natalia Antelava of "Disinfo Matters," a vertical of Coda Story. That said, she's arguably guilty of disinfo herself, as I told her on Twitter. Saying the story was "spread by ... American leftists" and linking to Max Blumenthal without a "some" in front of "American leftists"? And, given that Coda Story gets money from the National Endowment for Democracy? AND, that she founded it? Homie don't play that game. Actually, she's at least a "fellow traveler" herself.

• Finally, there's Hersh himself. He went on to double down, among other things with a new piece called "The Crap on the Wall." How much crap, whose crap, and how widely apportioned it should be, probably are in the eye of the beholder, or believer, and their degree of tribalism, or non-tribalism.

Sy is also doubling down on the dinero, as that's a subscriber-only piece, and everything past his journalistic scene-setting intro, per John Helmer, is behind the paywall screen. All subsequent articles are also paywalled, and hit the screen no more than halfway in. On one, he cites a letter from Lincoln scholar David Herbert Donald that he says is relevant to his latest, facts-light or facts tangential pieces. No doubt sort-of editor Matt Taibbi is walking him through the details of Substack.

I don't think Sy is a "useful idiot." But I do think, like Ames et al, that he's fallen into a reflexive anti-Americanism on foreign policy that makes him a tribal twosider. 

Let's not forget that Hersh DID take a bite of the Seth Rich conspiracy theory apple, then, when Butowsky tried to run with that, pushed back with something that wasn't much more than the "just asking questions" level of claim. If that. Let's look back at the original conversation.

• Speaking of Hersh's subscribers, if there's any "Crap on the Wall," per his latest piece as of Feb. 19, that would really be many of his subscribers.

I have no doubt more are continuing to come out, and if even 12-15 percent of them are all that are paid subscribers, offering him a potential $100,000 a year in income already. And, it appears that he's writing just to this end. Per John Helmer, his later pieces all have the factoids all lined up on each one, then just when you're about at the alleged meat of a piece, the paywall hits.

Seymour Hersh: American useful idiot

That's the TL/DR, as I see it, from John Helmer's second piece in reaction to Seymour Hersh's fantasy about the Nord Stream pipeline destruction. The first, via Jeff St. Clair, is included in my original main take on Sy.

This piece is based on a video podcast interview Hersh did in Germany.

It starts with good old conspiracy thinking of the JFK type: The CIA is trying to sabotage Biden's re-election. He then says this was done, according to CIA sources (natch) because Biden was cold-shouldering Germany. Good thing Norway cares???

Helmer then says that, other than correcting his PFIAB mistake to PIAB, Sy repeats mistakes from the original Substack in this interview and goes on to create new ones, including not understanding, or mischaracterizing, the PIAB's remit. His description of the Old Executive Office Building, as I'm a history buff and have been to DC, sounds laughable. It also sounds like this Fabian Scheidler is someone to look at. He's written for Jacobin, among other things. Actually, he's written one thing for it: about Sy's Nord Stream and appears to be, essentially, a transcript of the interview video that Helmer has in his post. Otherwise, he's interviewed Amy Goodman, Richard D. Wolff, et al. In other words, Hersh could rely on his credibility with him.

Helmer then pours it on, noting that Hersh pronounced "Maidan" like "maiden," thus showing his ignorance of larger issues. Besides those errors, Helmer said Hersh made yet more when talking with Consortium News (natch, which surely has been eating this up) just a few hours later.

There's also the issue, as Helmer noted in his first piece, that Hersh hasn't done any reporting on Russia since 1990. In other words, not since the fall of the USSR.

By the end of this new piece by Helmer, you get the idea that Hersh is confused enough to not be ax-grinding, as I pondered a few days ago, but to be manipulated by real ax-grinders.

Also, besides grifting for dollars, I wonder if he's grifting for a second round of the infamous, misattributed, 15 minutes of fame. But, if 20 percent of his 100K subscribers are paid ones, at the annual rate, that's 100 large a year, less Substack fees, etc. Not a gold mine, but not bad at any rate. 

And, I clearly underestimated! As of April 1, Helmer, at the end of this piece, estimates Sy has already NETTED $200-$500K.

Seymour Hersh's "Crap on the Wall"

 

That's what he's calling it, not me. (Pictured above: A pile of crap-foam floating on the surface of either the Baltic Sea or Seymour Hersh's Substack.)

Sy's now doubled down on his Nord Stream nodderings with a new piece called "The Crap on the Wall." How much crap, whose crap, and how widely apportioned it should be, probably are in the eye of the beholder, or believer, and their degree of tribalism, or non-tribalism.

Sy is also doubling down on the dinero, as that's a subscriber-only piece, and everything past his journalistic scene-setting intro, per John Helmer, is behind the paywall screen. No doubt sort-of editor Matt Taibbi is walking him through the details of Substack.

Shock me.

Speaking of subscribers? Nobody can comment on the Nord Stream piece. Likely also the idea of sort-of Taibbi. Only subscribers could comment on the original.

Speaking of "crap on the wall"?

Numero Uno commenter on his "hello, I'm here" initial piece is "I invented that vaccine but I'm an antivaxxer" Robert Malone, MD. (Manic-depressive? Old Hawkeye Pierce joke.) He's followed downstream by more than one COVID denier or minimalist. Apparently, he referred many here. Others said Aaron Maté sent them here. Natch. Might be some tie with Taibbi, too. And, others said noted British nutter Russell Brand sent them.

Others of note? Gun nut, Assange cultist, and promoter of a weird conspiracy theory that the feds are out to get the Amish, Betsy McDonel Herr.

Doug Henwood, with whom I've tangled before, and maybe is himself a COVID minimalist or worse if he also follows Vinay Prasad's Substack. He's also a paid subscriber to Modern Monetary Theory tout Stephanie Kelton's Substack, and Doug used to laugh at MMT touts like Michael Hudson and Yves at Naked Capitalism. I might have to do a separate small piece about Doug. No, I will.

Lesser names/aliases? A "Blackbear" favorably cites Seth Rich conspiracy theorist nutter (and nutter about other things) John Mark Dougan. And a Jill Klausen, ready to believe Sy, but calling the likely Chinese surveillance balloon a "weather balloon."

Among more trustable people of note? Asa Winstanley of the Electronic Intifada. And, that's about it.

As for the grifting for money? Sy's Substack front page says "Over 99,000 subscribers." That's a lot of grifting in less than a month, even if only 10 percent are paid. Speaking of, as of April 1, Helmer, at the end of this piece, estimates Sy has already NETTED $200-$500K.

Is Sy Hersh right about the NordStream pipelines? No and yes? More than Oliver Alexander? And Mark Ames?

If you've not been following "foreign policy Twitter" you're excused to a degree.

Anyway, Seymour Hersh now has a Substack and dropped a(n alleged) blockbuster for his first post after his "welcome."

And, that was a detailed blow-by-blow about how the US, with Norway's help, allegedly caused the NordStream explosions last fall.

And, it got PLENTY of pushback. Beyond just Tweets, there was this from Oliver Alexander.

That said, this is more than twosiderism.

NOTE: I'll be updating at the bottom with any more egregious comments I see at Alexander's Substack, or now that I see he's weighed in, Mark Ames' Radio War Nerd site, or on Twitter. As of Feb. 17, HALF of this post is about more nutty commenters, plus more observations on Hersh himself, and plenty on Mark Ames. Eventually, this will be broken off into a new blog post

First, as Jeff St. Clair noted, Hersh has been "iffy" over not just recent years but long before. He got used on the Seth Rich conspiracy theory and never admitted it, but had problems before that. However, citing Gary Webb of CIA drug-running fame vs. Hersh as a model of probity doesn't totally hold up, as I told Jeff. Maybe he didn't have outright lies, but he did "push the envelope," and hard. For his blanket defenders? When Webb was at the Cleveland Plain Dealer, it twice got sued over story series of his and both times, settled rather than fight. He may not have been "wrong," but he was far from right, as I discussed four years ago. (Not that Robert Parry was pristine on many things himself.)

Hold on to that thought. And I end the digression.

NOTE 2: Per St. Clair, and items below, here's a few initial thoughts of mine on what ax-grinding Hersh might be doing, and with whom. 

NOTE 3: Hersh can't even pronounce "Maidan" correctly, calling it "maiden" on an interview. Also? He's never done any real reporting on Russia. Don't cite the KAL flight shootdown, etc. All of Sy's reporting was about pre-implosion USSR, not Russia. More here on him as a "useful idiot." And his likely grifting for $$ and maybe for a second 15 minutes of fame.

But, before jumping into Alexander's own iffy pool, go to John Helmer, also linked by St. Clair. And, from that, about halfway down, since Matt Taibbi says Sy was "in touch" while working on the piece, I think we have his editor unmasked. Read the whole thing; I would have earlier, if Jeff had extracted more from it to show just how devastating it is. (In a new piece by Helmer, mid-March, he says Alexander does not have a "provable background" and notes him citing Bellingcat as a source.)

Update, March 8: Via another piece by Helmer, Moon of Alabama appears to be wanting to have his cake and eat it too, from the left. After claiming both that Sy largely got things correct AND that he had reported similarly in September, 80 percent of his post is about "a few corrections" to Hersh's narrative. (MoA also ignores both that Hersh has never reported on Russia AND, like other blank-check fans of Sy's, that he got bin Laden all wrong, or Not.Even.Wrong, and that he was willing to bite into the Seth Rich apple.) At the same time, MoA links to a piece of his own from last September, where he claims to have solved it. More problems? It's possible he's right that Poland was involved in some way. But, that would be an entirely different operation than what Hersh describes, not just correcting around the corners. At a minimum, MoA sounds more right than Sy, but again, this is trying to have one's cake and eat it, too. Finally, on that piece, his peculations were not his alone. And, I don't know if all of his ship-siting stands up to Alexander's OSINT, either.

Update 2, March 8: Nutsack Alexander is doubling down on his take that, at least with Nord Stream 1, Russia blew it up itself, allegedly to pressure Germany. This site, among others, from an American academic within the Nat-Sec Nutsacks™, was making similar claims late last year.

Feb. 20: I've taken more time to read Helmer thoroughly. He notes that Sy:

• Ignores Russian claims at the time that Britain did it, as here;
• Ignores Danish knowledge;
  
• Hasn't reported a story about Russia since 1990; and the topper
• That Sy is actually, ultimately, operating in service of US interests.
  

Helmer now has a new post which further eviscerates Hersh.

Confirming Jeff's note that Hersh (like Glenn Greenwald) doesn't want to be edited? Sy's own "welcome" piece:

The story you will read today is the truth as I worked for three months to find, with no pressure from a publisher, editors or peers to make it hew to certain lines of thought—or pare it back to assuage their fears. Substack simply means reporting is back . . . unfiltered and unprogrammed—just the way I like it.

There you are!

Anyway, Alexander says that Hersh blew it by being too detailed to be true. He also, at the start, claims he has his own suspects, but because it's circumstantial, he's not naming them. "Convenient," especially for someone who arguably has one foot (but not both) in at least the fringes of the Nat-Sec Nutsacks™ world, it appears. (He's written for Foreign Policy, among other things, touts his work in open-source intelligence, and is "in" with the likes of Higgins. He's apparently a Danish native, so, he's in the international wing of the Nat-Sec Nutsacks.

That said, on OSINT, Joe Galvin corroborates part of Alexander. Guess who linked to him? St. Clair. Oh, responses to him are a laundry list of whataboutism.

That said, Alexander may have undermined his own case by being too detailed on his "gotchas," with this:

During his introduction of Norway, Hersh makes a very strange remark about NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg implying that he has worked directly with the US intelligence community since the Vietnam War. Jens Stoltenberg was born March 16th 1959. The US involvement in the Vietnam War ended April 30th 1975, meaning Jens had just turned 16 when Saigon fell to the PAVN troops. I doubt Jens Stoltenberg was a US intelligence asset in his early teens.

The Nat-sec Nutsacks on Twitter joined in on this gotcha.

Reality? Per his Wikipedia page, Stoltenberg DID protest the war. AND, much BIGGer reality?

In 1979, his father became Norway's Defense Minister. He later served two separate terms as Foreign Minister. His mother held the equivalent of US civil service political positions, and did so even BEFORE Jens started his Vietnam War protests. The family, as a family, has its own Wikipedia page about a career of Norwegian political and cultural service going back not generations but centuries. That is, they are a Bushes or Adamses family.

Jens' own Wiki page notes that he had a long-term contract with a Soviet diplomat before state security police warned him this person was actually a KGB agent. That said, this itself could have been "cover," and Jens was actually trying to pump him. 

On the other hand, given his family connections, why would the CIA need to cultivate him as a source? And, even if it did, this likely wouldn't have happened for some number of years after his Vietnam protests.

As for this by Alexander?

Why leave one of the two Nord Stream 2 pipelines intact, when they were the ones that Russia was able to open up at a moments notice.

Could be a variety of reasons.

I see it as, whoever did the bombing, kind of like a "Mafia horse's head in bed" move. As in, "we hit three of the four pipes and No. 4 can go at any time."

It also gives more room for further control of the situation, especially since Nord Stream 2 was not  actually operational.

As for "why Norway"? (If Hersh is right.)

Remember back in early Iraq War days? Norway participated in extraordinary renditions. Yes, Norway, not just Sweden.

But, it's not just Alexander kicking the tires on Sy's latest and not convinced.

Going well beyond a tweet or two of his, Jeff St. Clair is definitely not convinced. He notes that the President's Intelligence Advisory Board hasn't had "Foreign" in it since Bill Clinton's time, among other things. Jeff also notes that many such operations are full of bungling and hard to keep secret. (Side note: JFK conspiracy theorists, this is another reason for you to stop sniffing the glue. Ditto on 9/11 Falsers. The Mossadegh and Arbenz coups, as well as the Bay of Pigs, are proof positive.)

Now, as for Hersh?

What may have been happening is something like the late Robert Fisk was known for doing in his Middle East reporting, so known for it that it got a name: "Fisking." Hersh may have the basic tiger by the tail, but per Alexander, yeah, his details are wrong.

He could have inflated some himself, and been fed false details by his sources on other details material.

Why?

Easy way to hang Hersh out to dry and get plausible deniability. This all is another angle that Alexander didn't think of — or may, chose not to consider.

As for the Skripal poisonings and Hersh? They do appear to be Russian, but in the early portion of the investigation, there were enough issues to challenge that as locked down. I cite the likes of Patrick Hilsman at Counterpunch. As for Syrian chemical attacks? Hersh has never said the Assad regime did NONE of them, so that's strawmanning. Those he has challenged have been challenged by others, like Fisk. And Ted Postol, Robert Parry and others. Sy also had other good reporting on Syria; that link also notes that Colin Powell's right hand man, Larry Wilkinson, said several years ago that Ukraine was a proxy war. And, re Syria, already then, the idea of a "Russian meme" was weaponized. And, Alexander shows that he's a weaponizer by citing Bellingcat. He lost a star right there.

Sidebar to all of this? I know part of why Sy likes Substack. Somewhat like Webb, and totally like Glenn Greenwald, it means no editing.

St. Clair agrees on Sy, while disagreeing on Webb. (I'll accept that Webb may not have been as much of a "free ranger," but, that he was straight and narrow? Different story.)

I think Jeff is right on Hersh's big picture on this story. It's ax-grinding, and not just his, but the sole source abetting him. Now, who that source is, and what ax against whom both the source and Hersh are grinding? Who knows. (In hindsight, I have little doubt that Hersh, and one or more of his sources, was ax-grinding on his bin Laden alt history. And, my first commenter kind of confirms that for me.)

After having this mostly done, earlier this morning, I saw via Twitter that Mark Ames had interviewed Hersh on Radio War Nerd and that it was "unlocked" for general listening. I'm not listening to the full thing right now. I may later. But one commenter provides a fair amount of detail. Hersh sort of claims to have (at least) one source besides the one mentioned in the article. He also claims to have an editor. Here's the person's, a Norwegian named Yngve Songstad's, observations:

'm sorry to say it, but this was really underwhelming in terms of meaningful content. I listened in hoping to know more about the Nord Stream story, but most of the interview was just old stories and internal journalism gossip. Which can be fun, but when you've got 30 minutes with the guy who has just written the bombshell story of the year so far? 

The only thing substantial that I got out of this which at least in my opinion strenghtened the story was that 1) Hersh has been working on the article with an editor, 2) that he sort of hinted to there being corroborating sources that do not appear in the article, and 3) that at least one of these work within the pipeline construction industry. However, no material evidence has still been presented, and this interview isn't gonna convince anyone who wasn't already persuaded by the original article.

Color me skeptical as hell on the first. If this were true, why didn't Sy cite both, or all three, or whatever, sources. Another commenter there congratulated Mark with his interview on the "slippery" Hersh. This "sort of hinted ..." illustrates the "slippery" in spades.

Also, as far as Sy's bona fides, Mark links to Abu Ghraib and My Lai, both of which stands up. He then links to his alternative story on bin Laden's death, which is implausible at the least. (Let's not forget that, even in the light of Abu Ghraib, this was his first big story that NObody in conventional media would touch, and he eventually published with the London Review of Books. Related and also interesting? In his "welcome/here I am" first piece on Substack, Hersh mentions he was attacked over the Abu Ghraib piece; he never mentions the bin Laden, or anything else he did after Abu Ghraib. Oh, he also has comments there, but has them turned off on the Nord Stream main piece. And [natch] only paid subscribers can comment on the "welcome" piece.) Doesn't link to Syria (or Skripal) and doesn't even discuss Seth Rich except in a comment back to me.  (Amy Goodman et al at Democracy Now also touts Abu Ghraib while ignoring the bin Laden. On Twitter, Edward Snowden talked up Watergate along with Abu Ghraib but ... ignored the bin Laden!)

Beyond all this? Warmonger Joe and NATO flunkies further escalating the war by selling Abrams and Leopard II tanks, even if Ukraine is unprepared to use them, especially the Abrams, deserves more discussion

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• Ames himself? I have for some time said that I don't consider him a Russian agent. He's criticized Russian war operations in Ukraine enough, and Moscow leadership at least somewhat. But, his own contrarianism or whatever on Skripal? Him and Yasha Levine laughing over US names for Russian SVR operations like "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear," even when the operations themselves were real (even if low budget, etc)? "Useful idiots" isn't the right word for people like him, and "fellow travelers" isn't, either. Maybe we need to use a phrase like "sympathetic flacks." Or, "slippery."

But, whatever the phrase, I'm tightening up again on the amount of slack I'll give him. Another way of putting it? He's not Matt Taibbi. But, he is, as I've said before, in the same general vein as an Aaron Maté: reflexive anti-Americanism on foreign policy that itself becomes twosidered.

Turns out, he probably won't interview St. Clair, as I suggested on RWN, in response to another comment of mine:

Seriously, this is what the whole "omg Hersh was a Seth Rich sucker" thing is about? Some guy talking to Hersh, claiming he heard a mountain where hersh said it was a molehill, and that's supposed to affect Hersh's credibility as a journalist? Bad faith twaddle. If it's not clear already, Hersh talking is a lot wilder and pinball-minded than Hersh in print, which is what he should be judged by. Here is what St Clair's article hyperlinks to as proof Hersh was some kind of Seth Rich truther: https://www.cpr.org/2017/08/01/behind-fox-news-baseless-seth-rich-story-the-untold-tale/

OK, Mark. And, re Radio War Nerd invites? You follow Helmer on Twitter; if you don't want St. Clair, have HELMER on.

And, OK to commenters who are going to try to spin this, and are going to cite the likes of Gateway Pundit in doing so. I also told him that he was welcome to interview St. Clair himself and that I had already said that in another comment.

But, while we're here, let's remember that the RNC as well as DNC was hacked and that Congresscritter Mike McCaul, not just the likes of Comey, said so, before the RNC told him to shut up. Let's also note that McCaul, pre-Congress, was counterterrorism prosecutor for the DOJ. I'll confess to not thinking about that enough at the time.

Also as for the commenter? I can't remember if Isikoff "burned" Ratner or if that is just spin. And, it's accepted journalism practice to "burn" a source who first screws you, anyway. The likes of Ken Silverstein have mentioned that.

• Otherwise? I muted multiple Nat-sec Nutsack Tweeters over this, one with a #NAFO hashtag claiming not to be an imperialist. Right. At the same time, if I get a second Seth Rich conspiracy theory defense from anybody at Mark's site, they'll be blocked, too. (Don't think I've ever blocked anybody on Patreon before.)

• And, I'm going to tally up comments there, and will respond after I get home. Let's take this from Magic Mikey:

Craig Murray sacrificed his career to expose his own governments involvement in the use of torture during the war on terror. He's nobodies flunky.

Grammar aside, those are red herrings. First, Murray did indeed do that, before he hooked up with early-era Assange, but he's continued to defend Assange lock, stock and barrel since Julian went far beyond being a journalist (if he ever was) to being Putin's flunky. Second, lots of people destroy their careers for bad reasons. Note: I've engaged with Murray on Twitter before; he has in the past "tailed off" when I brought up Seth Rich. Per that link, no, I don't think Assange is a journo. Murray has also indicated, indirectly, that Assange knew the provenance of the DNC emails by the end of 2016. I do think, per what I said above about Ames, that Murray IS a "useful idiot" even if not getting paid to be one.

• And, another "fun" comment at RWN, this from Stephen Jones:

I can't speak to anyone else's thoughts on Seth Rich, but I'm a total "sucker" for the idea that there's something fishy about an unsolved murder of a DNC staffer in the midst of high-powered deception about who stole what from servers. A situation so frought that the most illustrious media, academic, and government institutions and celebrities created a Russiagate fraud and crisis of confidence that has led Americans to crippling pathological paranoia... and the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.

I gave him my blog post with the RNC/McCaul info, noting the RNC being hacked was a big counterargument to this. 

• Mohamed Dalmer claims "data discrepancies." I told him I'd been down the Forensicator/Patrick Lawrence road and spoken with Duncan Campbell. As in this long piece also refudiating the Bill Binneys that Craig Murray said I should talk to, but talking to the Thomas Drakes.

• If I thought Alexander was a Nat-Sec Nutsack, one of the commenters on his site, Andrew Benjamin, is so in spades on his own Substack, where he dives into an empty pool to smear Hersh. As I told him:

You've got your whole body coated in Nat-Sec Nutsacks oil. Talk about a hit job piece. Calling Hersh a "Marxist" is the piece of cake. You're in-credible, whatever you may say in follow-up. Your claim that "Views Askew is the IDEOLOGY-FREE ZONE" is laughable bullshit. No, it's not even laughable. It's just bullshit.

What else is there to say?

That Benjamin is an even bigger mouth-breather. He called me this:

Cute for a Tuckerite cultist to call serious people with serious creds, or even myself who is on the scene, "laughable BS." Hey Socrates, have you ever been in the area? Have you photographed the Russian navy preparing to invade Ukraine as I have? I don't think anyone who refers to conspiracist, anantisemitic and pro-Jihadist websites such as Mondoweiss has any business lecturing people who live in the real world. I assume you also don't like Jews much, do you? On your front page. Mondoweiss My diagnosis is PTSD: Fida Jiryis and our ongoing Nakba

My brief response included asking him if Phil Weiss is a self-hating Jew, the obligatory "anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism," and accusing him back of Bullshit self-Derangement Syndrome. BDS!  

And, with his reply, linking to a piece that talks in depth about the self-hating Jew and with the phrase "Jew Flu," just wow.

Beyond that? I find this person scary in some ways, and definitely "rabid."

• I got four comments at RWN from one dude, nameless with a cat icon. He said I was full of shit, asked why anybody would want St. Clair's opinion while also saying Counterpunch has gone downhill and most its content is "syndicated" elsewhere, and called Craig Murray an alcoholic.

My thoughts? In answering him, I said on full of shit, maybe he was infamous Catturd. On St. Clair, I noted that he, re Assange and the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, had three-plus years ago talked about "the more credulous precincts of the left." Beyond that? On Craig Murray, per Murray's own website, he's probably right — Murray sounds like an alcoholic in huge denial. Given his history of depression, suicidal thoughts and physical health ailments, most if not all of which probably tie to the sauce, he needs to get his ass out of denial. Per his Wikipedia page, which I had never checked before, he was reportedly drunk on the job while British ambassador to Uzbekistan, which, unlike the diplomatic issues, he apparently has never contested. He also is officially a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist. And, Counterpunch has long co-published stuff from other sites; it's the way smaller opinion journals of the left — and also often the right — work.

UPDATE: He's since apologized for being intemperate, and I've apologized for calling him Catturd in response, because the real Catturd would never apologize. I also said that I don't totally agree with 

• Another commenter at RWN, a Joshua Davies suggested that Ty Clevenger had some new bombshell re Seth Rich, posting a Twitter link. I sent back my, not one (his "origin story"), not two, but three most relevant blog posts about Ty, noting his broader dishonesty, not just on this. Seriously? Believing Clevenger and suggesting him to me is a grade-A way to lose.

• On Twitter, not muted as not a #NAFO, but muted conversation about these issues with a guy named Naphta. British non-skeptical leftists seen as thick as American ones. He's interesting otherwise, looking at his feed, so not muted period, just the conversation.

• That said, people like him are why I'm a skeptical leftist, as noted in the header. And, if you're skeptical of "them" but not "us," you're not really skeptical, and you're a contributor to twosiderism and tribalism. Per the words of St. Clair a few years ago, in re the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, things like this make me glad I am NOT part of "the more credulous precincts of the left."

• Speaking of, and re Sy himself, is he actually engaged in deliberate disinformation, ie, pro-Russia angles? Beyond Nat-sec Nutsacks making that claim, via Dick Tofel, so does Natalia Antelava of "Disinfo Matters," a vertical of Coda Story. That said, she's arguably guilty of disinfo herself, as I told her on Twitter. Saying the story was "spread by ... American leftists" and linking to Max Blumenthal without a "some" in front of "American leftists"? And, given that Coda Story gets money from the National Endowment for Democracy? AND, that she founded it? Homie don't play that game.

Also re Sy himself, he's now doubled down on this with a new piece called "The Crap on the Wall." How much crap, whose crap, and how widely apportioned it should be, probably are in the eye of the beholder, or believer, and their degree of tribalism, or non-tribalism.

Sy is also doubling down on the dinero, as that's a subscriber-only piece, and everything past his journalistic scene-setting intro, per John Helmer, is behind the paywall screen. No doubt sort-of editor Matt Taibbi is walking him through the details of Substack. Speaking of, as of April 1, Helmer, at the end of this piece, estimates Sy has already NETTED $200-$500K.

• Speaking of Hersh's subscribers, if there's any "Crap on the Wall," per his latest piece as of Feb. 19, that would really be many of his subscribers.

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Update, July 14, 2024: Russia appears to have cut multiple Norwegian undersea communications cables in the past couple of years. Just saying.