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Showing posts with label Turkey. Show all posts

December 11, 2024

Left vs Left on Syria — major US-Israel meddling or not?

A sort of faceoff on this issue between Asa Winstanley of the Electronic Intifada, on his Substack, and Joseph Daher, billed as a Swiss Syrian socialist, at The Tempest (seen by me on Counterpunch).

The Tempest did an interview with Daher that starts with this intro:

Some on the Left have claimed without foundation that their rebellion was orchestrated by the U.S. and Israel. Others have uncritically romanticized these rebel forces as rekindling the original popular revolution that nearly overthrew Assad’s regime in 2011. Neither captures the complex dynamics unfolding in Syria today.

And, this is why I see the "faceoff." Winstanley is the type of person being called out, but is it more by The Tempest or more by Daher personally?

That said, the differences start with something else. Daher, while saying that the main rebel force, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, while not a walk in the park, has evolved since repudiating ties with al-Qaeda in 2016 and focusing on Syrian nationalist issues. He notes it has promised to protect Druze and Ismailis. (That said, NPR yesterday talked about how many of the latter are already fleeing Syria.) He also said that since that 2016 separation, it has repressed people of al-Qaida and ISIS backgrounds.

Winstanley looks at such claims with a more gimlet eye, noting their current name is a "rebranding" since separating from al-Qaida, talking about pre-2016 atrocities in a post-2016 Syria:

Nor did such abuses stop with the rebranding to Hayat Tahrir al-Sham. Human Rights Watch says it has documented severe abuses by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham in the Idlib enclave it has controlled in recent years.

Sounds a bit different than Daher.

Winstanley adds that HTS leader al-Julani "has never been held to account."

Now, to the header. It's true that neither the US nor Israel has explicitly backed Turkey's actions in northern Syria. But, everybody who knows Turkish President Reççip Tayyip Erdogan knows he plays under-the-table footsie with Bibi Netanyahu. The US knows the basics of this and has chosen not to intervene. Otherwise, Daher appears to take statements by both Israeli and US political leaders at face value.

Winstanley does not. Here's the background he provides:

That's the US reality.

Over the last 13 years, the various armed groups working together to overthrow the Syrian government have been backed by the US, Gulf states, Turkey and Israel itself.
In a rare moment of honesty – one he later had to apologize for – then US Vice President Joe Biden admitted in 2014 that the surge of funding had aided groups the US considers extremists.
Biden said that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and others “were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war … [that] they poured hundreds of millions of dollars, tens, thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad.”

This is the Israeli reality from years past, per Winstanley.

The last time al-Qaida and other insurgent groups were present in the Golan Heights, Israel established warm relations with them, treating their fighters in a specially constructed field hospital and even arming them.
Netanyahu on Sunday signaled the revival of that policy. He said that Israel would pursue “the same approach we maintained when we set up a field hospital here that treated thousands of Syrians injured during the civil war. Hundreds of Syrian children were born here in Israel.”

There's more on both at his piece, with links. That includes Bibi trying to take credit for the downfall of Damascus.

Daher has a number of good things to say about the Palestinian issue, and as a socialist, trying to delink it from nation-state issues and to boost Palestinian class issues. That still doesn't mean that me isn't wrong on the nation-state issues in Syria. That's especially as Winstanley noted that some Syrian insurgents appear to have already been in contact with Israelis.

This is even as, at Jacobin, on these other issues, Daher said that it's Israel, not Hezbullah or Iran, that wants a wider war. Agreed. So, what gives with his take on Syria? Turkish control of northern Syria severs its direct connection with Iran, which, in turn, affects Hezbullah.

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Update: Mitchell Plitnick weighs in at Mondoweiss. He notes the Israeli invasion was "opportunistic," but that, it still seems to have been scenario-planned, or so I read him.

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Update, March 9, 2025: Daher seems ever more like an idealistic dreamer on Syria, given the current state of affairs.

September 08, 2022

World progressives news: Renewing the Iran deal, fighting NATO warmongering

James Dorsey has a great piece on all the moving parts involved with a possible renewal of the Iran nuclear deal. Beyond the US, Western allies, Russia and China, it also includes the Gulf Arab states and their anti-Iran animosity, Syria's ties to Iran Turkey and its past and present triangulation off Iran and more. Re Russia, and Chinese tacit support for it, the Ukraine war looms in the background. Dorsey goes from there to talk about the possibility of an even broader regional security pact, including nuclear issues, looping in India and Pakistan. It's a great read.

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Knock me over with a feather. After a summer of stonewalling over the issue, as I blogged, including about the degree she risked becoming a dupe of Xi Jinping Thought, UN High Commissioner on Human Rights Michelle Bachelet has actually released a report on China, and a condemnatory one. As I Tweeted, let's see Margaret Flowers, Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate, Rainer Shea and others among the running dog lackeys of Chinese imperialism deal with this one. (Waiting to see Counterpunch called a capitalist tool.)

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Citizens on the street in the Czech Republic protested last weekend about the current government's strongly pro-NATO stance vis-a-vis that Russia-Ukraine war.

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Who wants to see two Canadian pieces of shit, Steve Pinker and Jordan Peterson, exchange fecal transplants in the name of life extension in Toronto? Seriously, I can see why the guy who runs the place avoids words like biohacking, as he's even more full of shit than the normal biohacker?

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Sweden, expecting Turkish approval to join NATO so it can mong war against Russia, is obviously expecting a natural gas cutoff or diminishment. Therefore, it's already offering a bailout (don't call it that, it's a "liquidity guarantee") to energy companies. But wait. "Plucky" little Finland is doing the same.



September 02, 2022

World Progressives: NATO watch, Palestine, Chinese economy, Gazprom, more

I've decided to, on my own, do a "world" version of Texas Progressives on occasion. Kuff rarely reaches beyond Texas and never goes beyond US borders for stories he adds, and sometimes, I find enough good stuff to add that it overweights it.

So, let's dig in and star here:

James Dorsey reminds us that Sweden and Finland joining NATO is still not a done deal. Turkey still threatens to veto it, and part of its ask is Swedish and Finnish expulsion of followers of Fethullah Gulen. That's part of a bigger piece on talks picking up on a possible renewal of the Obama-era Iran nuclear control deal. It's worth a read on those grounds as well, on how relations between Turkey and Israel, Turkish support for Palestinians, relations between Saudis and other Gulf states with Iran and more all are interplaying. 

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Gazprom "somehow" is still still having technical difficulties with its Nord Stream 1 pipeline. Go suck it, warmongeGazprom ring Germans, including German Greens who didn't do more to get Germany using less fossil fuels. (Again, why is there so much AC use in Hamburg?)

Related to this? Every month or so, now, in Western mainstream media, you'll see the latest piece about "the Russian economy is about to collapse." The latest pieces usually say something like, "yeah, you heard this two months ago, but the Russian government and central bank have used the final arrows in their quiver so this time we mean it." Stop believing them. First, they're trading on triumphalism. Second, even if they don't say so, they're usually trading on Western governmental sources who figure that if they peddle the idea of triumphalism enough, it will come true.

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The Chinese economy is officially headed into the crapper. If China-stanner Adam Tooze (see here) is admitting that, even if only hesitantly, partially and obliquely, you KNOW it's bad. Someone break the news to Rainier Shea in the People's Republic of Humboldt County.

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Former Israeli negotiator Daniel Levy told the UN Security Council last week that the two-state solution for Israel-Palestine is dead. As Mondoweiss notes, the NYT gave space to Peter Beinart on this issue; he became a disbeliever a couple of years ago, but he went beyond just that. Without using the word, Mondoweiss said he pretty much embraced the idea that Israel has become an apartheid state. As I noted on Twitter, somebody alert the Josh Marshalls of this world, who are either still in the AIPAC camp (pretty sure Josh is still) or else still too afraid of AIPAC to speak out. I've done searches on Talking Points Memo, so it's not just his Twitter feed. Marshall, as self-touted publisher, refuses to talk about Israel-Palestine issues.

But, it's not just AIPAC. As Mondoweiss ALSO notes, J Street, which has long portrayed itself as a real alternative to AIPAC, is also, like Marshall and others, radio silent.

Thirdly, Mondoweiss notes Beinart calling out Deborah Lipstadt for meeting with Saudi officials. Has J Street done that? I presume not. I'm sure AIPAC hasn't. And, AFAIK, the Josh Marshalls of the not-so-totally-liberal Zionists haven't.

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But, apartheid South Africa isn't the same as apartheid Israel-Palestine. Another Mondoweiss piece notes a tougher slog for Palestinians, having far less leverage than Black South Africans.

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AI to find hidden swimming pools? US municipalities probably aren't rich enough to do what France is doing. Great way to find property tax cheating if appraisers don't get on site.

February 08, 2012

Syria: What if Arab League calls for intervention?

That could be an option soon, as Arab League leaders are hinting at it. What if, say, U.S. President Barack Obama, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron take up such a call, and get NATO to provide a fig leaf, albeit a more tenuous one than the one in Libya last year?

After their joint Security Council veto, what would Russia and China do? Arm Assad's government? Have the U.S. squaring off with the two of them like the U.S. and the USSR over Israel and Egypt in 1973?

And, what about Turkey? It surely would favor NATO action; would it also try to leverage its lead on this into getting some new "consideration" from the European Union?

March 02, 2011

Scooter Libby is nuts about Turkey

And, not in a good sense.

While I agree that Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan needs some degree of eye kept on him vis-a-vis "Islamist" issues, Libby's history telling is selective. The constitutional reforms had been pushed long before Erdogan came to power. Northern Cyprus? A reaction to EU and US one-sidedness toward Greece.

What Libby doesn't like isn't that, but a once-pliant "client state" flexing its muscles, all because of a clusterfuck he supported and lied about. (Speaking of that, his end-of-column tagline has not a word about his criminal history, or his not-officially-charged-but-criminal-in-spirit history.)

October 26, 2010

Turkey rightfully thumbs nose at US, EU control attempts

Ed Cohen, overall the NYT's best columnist on foreign affairs, points out just how well Turkey is doing by ignoring American and European Union control attempts.

At some point, Kemalists and Muslim political parties alike may decide EU membership isn't worth the hoops. Turkey would qualify, now, on both economic structure and civil liberties, but, it's the "they're not really us" hoops that still stand.

Cohen didn't note how Obama really hasn't diverged much from Bush in this area of foreign policy, sadly. It was mainly Congressional GOP numbnuts who exploded in wrath after the Gaza flotilla incident, but, Ankara had been getting a certain degree of benign neglect from the White House before that.

Given all the Turkic "-stans" in Central Asia, that's stupid.

June 20, 2010

When Friedman is good, he's good

Every once in a while, Tom Friedman can write a real, in-depth, analysis type of column that is informative. Part 2 of his Letter from Istanbul set of columns is exactly that.

Two items of note.

1. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and otherwise, a bit troubling.

2. His party is trailing in most recent polls to more secular opponents. Not sure when the next election is, but, while it's nice to have Turkey increasing its influence at this crossroads of the world, let's hope the second wave of that growth is under more secular leadership.

June 19, 2010

Turkey wins, Iran loses, Israel still looks idiotic

A doctoral candidate and a professor at Princeton (both being Jewish, I believe) note how Turkey and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan smell like roses over the Gaza flotilla. And, Iran stinks, even in the nostrils of Hamas. While the Arab sheikdoms are jealous of democratic Turkey. And, Israel, and by extension, the US, remains clueless.

Other than the possible danger of an Armenia genocide resolution passing Congress, as long as Batman and Robin remain clueless and act on their cluelessness, Turkey continues to be the winner.

June 17, 2010

US lawmakers turn on Turkey

The one and only good thing coming out of this would be an Armenian genocide resolution passing Congress. Otherwise? More pandering to Zionism.

I love the one Congressman commenting on Turkey's occupation of Cyprus.

First, it doesn't control all the island.

Second, Cyprus itself wasn't innocent, and neither was Greece in the background.

Third, this is part of larger geopolitical moves by Turkey, which has a right to an independent foreign policy.

March 04, 2010

Dear Turkey, and Obama - genocide is genocide

The House Foreign Affairs Committee has again, as in 2007, passed a resolution declaring the Ottoman Empire's early 20th century massacres of Armenians to be genocide. (As in 2007, the resolution will likely go no further.)

Once again, it's "nice" to see Barack Obama do a civil liberties and human rights flip flop, now saying, well, maybe it isn't genocide, contra a campaign pledge.

And, modern Turkey needs to deal with it, rather than deny it and get huffy.

February 25, 2010

Is Turkey headed for a showdown?

The Turkish government has charged several admirals and generals from Turkey's military, the traditional guarantor against Islamism, of plotting a coup.

But is the Justice and Development party, an Islamic-based political party, playing politics?

Stay tuned. This has several angles, and possible fallout well beyond Turkey's borders.

January 30, 2009

Turkish PM spat over Israel-Gaza could have benefits

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, frustrated that he didn’t have enough time at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to tell Israeli President Shimon Peres what he really thought about Israel’s invasion of Gaza and Peres’ commens, walked off the stage and said he didn’t expect to return.

Since Turkey has long been a top ally of Israel in the Muslim world, the “stun” factor is understandable.

But, that's also part of why Turkey sgtands to benefit from this in the long term. Erdogan's comments have already boosted his credibility in the Arab world. That said, as long as Turkey continues its commitment to democracy and secularism, it could have even broader benefits.

The Turkish opposition won't be able to back fully away from this, but, as a campaign issue by an opposition constantly worried about Erdogan's commitment to secularism, it is something that will keep him in line, too.

January 29, 2009

Turkish PM walks out on Davos over Gaza

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, frustrated that he didn’t have enough time at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to tell Israeli President Shimon Peres what he really thought about Israel’s invasion of Gaza and Peres’ commens, walked off the stage and said he didn’t expect to return.

Since Turkey has long been a top ally of Israel in the Muslim world, the “stun” factor is understandable.

Erdogan added that he was frustrated in part because he thought, before the Gaza invasion, that he was close to a deal with Israeli PM EHud Olmert over Syrian issues.

July 30, 2008

Dear Turkey – can you redirect a few bombs to one Richard Perle?

Note to Ankara: While you’re bombing Kurdish rebels inside Iraq, can you also drop a few “stray bombs” on Richard Perle’s potential Kurdish oil leases?

More seriously, what’s to stop these Kurdish rebels from doing what Nigerian rebels do, and threatening oilfields to extort money… money for arms, etc.?

July 01, 2008

Turkey tottering toward coup?

So it would seem, with the arrest of 24 people with alleged coup connections. The Turkish army has, of course, intervened in Ankara government in the past when it worried Turkey’s leaders were abandoning its secularist tradition.

This time, it looks like the arrests are a pre-emptive strike.

The sweep comes on the very day prosecutors presented an indictment to the Turkish Constitutional Court to close down Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party.
“It seems the government is throwing down the gauntlet to the key players in the secular camp,” said Erik Zurcher, a professor at Leiden University in the Netherlands and author of “Turkey: A Modern History.” “Perhaps it feels it has nothing left to lose because the party's closure will come anyway.”

Bloomberg notes the court ruled against Erdogan in a related case in June, striking down a law allowing women to wear Islamic-style headscarves at universities. Turkish law prohibits explicitly religious political activities, hence the case calling to disband Erdogan’s party.

Meanwhile, the turmoil has majorly roiled the Turkish stock and bond markets. I’m sure it doesn’t help the rocky path to EU membership, either.

March 15, 2008

Muslim politics hit Turkey

A national appeals prosecutor wants Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party, which emerged from a banned Islamist party, banned itself on similar grounds. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the push by Abdurrahman Yalcinkaya, chief prosecutor of the court of appeals, was not aimed at his party (known by the acronym AKP from its Turkish name), but at “the will of the nation.” The request called for the party as a whole, and Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, to be banned from politics. Hasim Kilic, the president of the Constitutional Court, said it would consider whether or not to accept the complaint Monday.

The AKP, long viewed with wary eyes by bastions of secularism in Turkey, above all by the army, pushed through an initiative last month to allow women to wear Islamic headscarves in universities. That is the proximate cause of the issue.

March 12, 2008

Turkish generals ‘get it’ against Kurds

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has said he will have his government investup to $12-$15 billion in Kurdish areas of Turkey to drain the force out of Kurdish rebels. The money would build dams and irrigation projects plus pave roads.

The government will also start a new television channel with Persian- and Arabic-language broadcasts.

Turkey’s generals are referenced as realizing military might alone can’t dampen Kurdish rebelliousness.

October 06, 2007

Bush shows ignorance of history, international political coddling of Turkey on Armenia

In a deference to counterfactually based Turkish government sensitivities, President Bush says the House of Representatives is not the place to decide whether or not the murder of more than 1 million Armenians during World War I is a genocide:
Gordon Johndroe, a White House spokesman, said Friday that Bush believes the Armenian episode ranks among the greatest tragedies of the 20th century, but the determination whether “the events constitute a genocide should be a matter for historical inquiry, not legislation.”

Mr. Johndroe and the president are either ignorant of, or willfully denying what reputable historians have already written: Armenia was a genocide. There’s dozens, if not hundreds, of history books on Turkey, Armenia, the Ottoman Empire, etc., that all cover it in detail.

Besides Bush/Johndroe are wrong in another way: The “why” of any mass murder moves beyond history into psychology, sociology and — political science.

As for Bush’s claims this will severely dent relations with Turkey (as if the botching of Iraq and consequent emboldening of Kurdish rebels inside Turkey hasn’t done anything), that may be hot air out of both Washington and Ankara, as much as anything:
“Turkey has been threatening every sort of doomsday scenario,” says Armenian National Committee of America Executive Director Aram Hamparian. “We have been saying that Turkey would harm itself more than the United States if it carries through with these threats.”

As for Turkey’s call to have a set of international experts examine the issue, fine, let’s do that — as soon as Ankara stops criminalizing and censoring discussion of this issue by Turkey’s own historians.

September 26, 2007

One good thing about the change of French governments

The Sarkozy Administration appears to have become open to the European Union candidacy of Turkey than the previous Chirac Administration.

I always thought it was both ludicrous and duplicitous for Chirac to, on the one hand talk about the Christian heritage of Europe as a reason to oppose Turkey’s EU membership bid, then on the other hand work to keep the would-be EU constitution as secularist as possible.

Of course, Sarkozy himself was originally against the Turkey bid, too. But, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who is rapidly looking like a serious practitioner of Realpolitik, convinced President Sarkozy to approach talks with Turkey with an open mind.

October 03, 2006

Iraq so deshabile it can’t even refine it’s own oil

That’s right. Iraq’s oil economy is so wrecked it has to export crude to Turkey to be refined, then import back the gasoline and other refined products.

However, Turkey is so concerned about border security that it may shut the border for a day or more at a time. Obviously, thousands of backed-up tanker trucks are a hugely tempting target to guerrillas.