This post is about the Murph, so ...
Let's look at the Murph's stats.
R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ 17 40 9 1 4 14 1 1 2 27 .288 .308 .453 .761 111 27 62 10 3 4 29 3 3 10 53 .282 .322 .409 .731 108 75 172 35 10 25 101 8 6 38 89 .308 .357 .541 .898 149 82 168 28 10 13 90 19 7 30 80 .313 .349 .475 .824 133 107 215 44 8 21 88 17 19 58 107 .338 .397 .531 .927 145 102 194 32 12 30 117 20 7 57 92 .334 .394 .585 .979 166 109 193 45 7 25 94 20 4 67 101 .310 .380 .526 .906 140 71 153 31 1 17 79 10 7 25 69 .295 .327 .458 .785 115 29 62 14 3 9 48 6 2 9 25 .258 .287 .454 .742 105 41 66 19 3 6 29 7 5 22 45 .270 .330 .447 .776 113 68 154 29 4 12 69 12 9 28 89 .279 .311 .411 .722 97 73 173 28 0 16 94 11 10 41 89 .285 .328 .410 .738 104 88 198 42 4 34 125 5 13 52 80 .312 .365 .551 .916 149 89 174 31 3 31 116 1 6 56 126 .273 .330 .477 .807 117 77 149 28 0 26 97 7 3 44 104 .253 .311 .433 .744 92 43 97 18 1 12 55 0 1 32 70 .257 .314 .406 .720 103 56 146 27 0 22 97 0 0 38 91 .264 .308 .432 .741 110 71 176 30 3 21 92 4 7 41 102 .289 .330 .451 .781 118 47 120 26 2 11 59 3 3 33 98 .239 .288 .365 .653 81 45 108 22 2 11 56 3 2 29 91 .232 .279 .358 .638 76 2 12 4 0 0 3 0 1 4 7 .333 .400 .444 .844 130 1272 2712 526 75 339 1493 154 113 683 1537 .290 .339 .471 .810 121
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Generated 12/18/2012.
Nice, solid numbers, eh?
Now, a few of you may be scratching your heads at this point. Those of you really familiar with his stats know they're not his.
No, they're not. They're Dave Parker's numbers.
Here's Murphy's.
R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ 3 17 6 0 0 9 0 0 7 9 .262 .333 .354 .687 91 5 24 8 1 2 14 0 1 0 8 .316 .316 .526 .842 112 66 120 14 3 23 79 11 7 42 145 .226 .284 .394 .679 80 53 106 7 2 21 57 6 1 38 67 .276 .340 .469 .809 113 98 160 27 2 33 89 9 6 59 133 .281 .349 .510 .858 135 43 91 12 1 13 50 14 5 44 72 .247 .325 .390 .716 100 113 168 23 2 36 109 23 11 93 134 .281 .378 .507 .885 142 131 178 24 4 36 121 30 4 90 110 .302 .393 .540 .933 149 94 176 32 8 36 100 19 7 79 134 .290 .372 .547 .919 149 118 185 32 2 37 111 10 3 90 141 .300 .388 .539 .927 152 89 163 29 7 29 83 7 7 75 141 .265 .347 .477 .824 121 115 167 27 1 44 105 16 6 115 136 .295 .417 .580 .997 157 77 134 35 4 24 77 3 5 74 125 .226 .313 .421 .734 106 60 131 16 0 20 84 3 2 65 142 .228 .306 .361 .667 89 60 138 23 1 24 83 9 3 61 130 .245 .318 .417 .735 99 38 81 14 0 17 55 9 2 41 84 .232 .312 .418 .731 96 22 57 9 1 7 28 0 1 20 46 .266 .328 .416 .744 105 66 137 33 1 18 81 1 0 48 93 .252 .309 .415 .724 103 5 10 1 0 2 7 0 0 1 13 .161 .175 .274 .449 26 1 6 1 0 0 7 0 0 5 15 .143 .224 .167 .391 1 1197 2111 350 39 398 1266 161 68 986 1748 .265 .346 .469 .815 121
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Generated 12/18/2012.
Just not quite as good as Parker's, are they? The biggie career stat, OPS+, is a virtual tie. Counting stats? Parker's well ahead in most.
But, surely, Murph was affected by injuries in part. And, surely, with 2 MVP awards — shades of Joe Morgan! — he was the more valuable player.
I won't argue there.
Here's the Murph's career number on a few sabermetric stats:
RAA WAA RAR WAR oWAR dWAR oRAR 140 16.3 412 42.6 44.9 -7.6 445
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Generated 12/18/2012.
And here's Parker's:
RAA WAA RAR WAR oWAR dWAR oRAR 44 6.7 354 36.3 37.9 -15.5 375
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Generated 12/18/2012.
So, Murph WAS more valuable, yes. But, enough more valuable, not only in comparison to Parker but the HOF hurdle, to offset a relatively short career, and various injuries, and get in?
I say no.
If you use injuries/short career as an "out," then ... you have to elect Don Mattingly! Without me collapsing and formatting tables, just click his link along with Murph's. Mattingly had similar counting stats, and similar WAA and WAR, in an even shorter career.
(Sidebar: Murphy's dWAR shows that arguments for his admission based on part on his defensive prowess are overrated, too. And Parker was even more overrated.)
Anyway, that's the "you gotta" from the header. If you're going to elect Murph, you gotta elect the Cobra, or at least give him some serious consideration. (And, sidebar, you really gotta elect Mattingly, then). Because their careers almost exactly overlapped, comparing their Wins Above Replacement and Wins Above Average is very relevant. And, because they were both outfielders, the same goes for dWAR.
Now, related to that, why doesn't Parker get the HOF love Murphy does?
I'll be blunt.
I think it's a black and white issue, pun very much intended.
Related to that Parker was dirty — cocaine dirty — while Murphy was squeaky clean. Related to that, Parker was an irritating personality, while Murphy was ingratiating.
So, if you're the type of person who says we're worrying too much about actual, alleged, or possible roiders, or gamblers, and we shouldn't necessarily keep those types out, I'll do reverse intellectual judo and say, don't give an extra bump to somebody just because he's a nice guy.
Now, on point No. 3, on Murphy-Parker differences, some people make the same claims as to why Jim Rice took so long to get in the HOF. Well, first, he doesn't belong there. But, a Murphy-like campaign got him in. His personality has nothing to do with it.
And, I grew up in the 70s, too. And, to be honest, perhaps also reflecting personality differences, but perhaps also reflecting baseball ... I never feared Murphy at his peak the same way I did Parker.
Now, a sidebar, picking up from the top.
Morris, I've covered before. Shorter case here: He is not even close to Bert Blyleven, so those of you making this claim, stop it. Reality is that he's the worst 250-game winner in the history of baseball. He is at best no better than Early Wynn, who shouldn't be in the Hall himself, probably, and who definitely shows what happens when you rely too much on one single "counting" stat.
My two quick and easy reference stats for pitchers are ERA+ and WHIP/9. If your ERA+ for your career is above 110, good. If the career WHIP is at or below 1.25, good. If you only clear one of two hurdles, not good.
Well, Wynn and Morris both miss both hurdles. Pretty clear that one's a fake HOFer and the other shouldn't be let in. Blyleven, on the other hand, clears both hurdles with ease. Or, to put it another way, Blyleven's WAA is higher than Morris' WAR. Sabermetric types know that's a HUGE difference.
So, if you compare Black Jack to the Hotfooter on this blog, I'll kick you in the cybernads. Period.
Now, a little background to my Hall of Fame blogging —
I am a "small Hall" guy. In fact, I think there's plenty of people we should vote back OUT of Cooperstown. Here's some pitchers, and some batters, looking just at the modern baseball era, who need the boot.
And, click the "MLB Hall of Fame" tag for more on other candidates on this year's ballot and my thoughts.
Oh, and while you're here, please vote in my poll.
1 comment:
I am actually pro-Murphy, pro-Parker, pro-Mattingly AND pro-Morris.
JT, The Writer's Journey
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