He stacks the deck from his Hindu infatuation with his “superposition of eigenstates.”
NOTHING is being “superimposed.” It’s all classical statistical mechanics, from the way I see it.
And, there is no such thing as an “eigenstate” involved.
Let me up the ante on Schrödinger.
Put a cat in a closed box.
Restrain it, because I’m using guillotines, in the plural, rather than poison gas, in the singular.
Give me three radioactive elements with half-lives of X, 2X and 4X.
Give me three guillotines, attached to the cat’s tail, a paw, and its neck respectively.
At X, you have 50 percent chance the cat has lost its tail, 25 percent it has lost its paw and 12.5 percent chance it is dead.
At 2X, probabilities are 75, 50 and 25 percent, respectively.
At 4X, they’re 87.5, 75 and 50 percent.
NO “superposition of eigenstates.” I hope this thought experiment makes the whole idea look ludicrous.
When the lid is lifted of the box, ALL we are doing is checking which of the probabilities is the actuality. Nothing else is being done. The quantum events have happened independently of any observer.
What if a neo-Schrödinger says, lifting the box is itself an observation.
Well, first of all, that’s a “Newtonian” level observation, not a quantum-level one. Unless you try to nano-scale shrink box, cat and guillotines.
Second, I’ll accept the challenge and one-up it.
Give me radioactive element No. 4 with half-life of 8X. It controls a circuit that raises the lid on the box.
OK.
At 8X, we have 93.75 percent chance the cat has no tail, 87.5 that it’s lost a paw, 75 percent that it’s dead, and …
A 50 percent chance that we can see inside the box to determine these probabilities.
Again, all statistical probabilities.
In fact, like the turtles of Schrödinger's beloved Hinduism, it’s statistics all the way down.
Am I arguing there’s nothing “mysterious,” – as long as you append scare quotes – about quantum mechanics? No, of course not. The two-slit experiment with light rays is proof enough of that.
I AM arguing, though, that quantum mechanics is NOT “metaphysically mysterious.” Or anything on those lines.
I am suggesting that Erwin Schrödinger bears a certain amount of the blame for the rise of today’s Deepak Chopras of the world.
And, albeit for different reasons than Einstein, while I don’t believe that some “naïve realism” interpretation of quantum mechanics will win out, should the Holy Grain of a UFT ever be achieved, I do think there will be something more quasi-realistic than the consensus of today.
I think, per Wiki's article on Schrödinger and his damned cat, that the ensemble interpretation of quantum mechanics, while not the ending point, is a good starting point and certainly the best starting point we have right now. It's the one that, I think, does the best job of clearing the decks of mystical and semi-mystical mumbo-jumbo that have accumulated to many interpretations of quantum mechanics like barnacles. It offers the least confusion between physics and philosophy in cases where they define the same concept differently. And, it certainly seems to properly address Occam's Razor. On the probabilities and statistics issues, it squares exactly with what I've said all along. I just didn't realize there was an official theory for my version of understanding QM.
Part of the problem, related to this, is that full-on Copenhagians, or QM schools of thought in their vicinity, at least, seem to like their undiluted shot — or three — of mysticism.
I know that Schrödinger himself was, essentially, trying to "spoof" Copenhagianism. However, because of his own Hindu influences, I think he failed to see how his thought experiment would be co-opted. (That said, somebody else would surely have come up with a similar one.)
Schrödinger reportedly said, decades later, that he wished he had never "met" his cat. Again, interesting that it took him that long to see that.
And, he apparently never explained the "why" behind that. Was it because had lost control of "his" thought experiment?
After writing the original version of this post, I came upon a great book, "The Quantum Story: A History in 40 Moments." From it, I became more convinced than ever that what "collapses" is not any "superposition of eigenstates" but a "superposition" of multiple states of partial or obscured knowledge.
Per Richard Buller and others, I'm also more convinced than ever that things like Schrödinger's Cat show the need that scientists have for philosophers of science.
Or, to quote Stephen Hawking: "When I hear of Schrödinger's cat, I reach for my pistol."
And now, here's a good piece from the Stone, the New York Times' op-ed series about issues philosophical, that covers some of the same ground, about the mystical misuse of quantum mechanics. However, I'd qualify it a bit.
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Totally fascinating… I too prefer statistical mechanics and thermodynamical arguments over mystical arguments. While mystical stories and fantasies are entertaining and appealing, the real question is about various explanations’ operational realism = can I build something new with them that actually works in the real world… I have a lot more to say about this, but that’s for another place and time. Your approach, though , is refreshing and is something to explore and extend, and keep reflecting about🍀😎
Your hypothetical guillotines and the slicing and dicing of that poor cat don’t account for the fact that the isotope in the original thought experiment was not decaying at any measurement at all. It was *unknown* if it was decaying. That’s literally the entire point. If there were known quantitative percentages that would then trigger some sort of action like poison gas or a guillotine then yes the whole experiment is moot. The reason why no one is rushing to give you a Nobel prize is because you’ve missed the basic foundations of the entire experiment. And your obvious bias towards any whiff of humanity involving itself in science is a swing and a miss too. Cultish adherence to science while removing the very medium through which it is observed…oh the irony
Ahh, a drive-by commenter with no ID who has read probably nothing I've written but this one post.
First, you totally wrongly think I'm a scientism person.
Second, who said I missed the basic foundations of the experiment? I was criticizing the mindset behind it. Did you see the "up the ante"? You did and blew past it.
Based on that, if you return to comment again, expect even rougher handling, depending on what you say.
Ooh not “rougher handling”. LOL. Bro, you tried to disprove an experiment—one that the most brilliant genius minds of the last two centuries are still working to reconcile with the macro world—of an unknown quantity that remains unknown until it is measured, by plugging in *measured* quantities. Not to mention, Schrödinger developed one of the most beautiful, groundbreaking, and most perfect equations in all of physics, but sure, he “got it wrong”. 🙄🤣
One more thing and I’ll leave you alone with your beef against one of mankind’s greatest physicists, but you did not “up the ante”. You changed the very nature of the experiment to conform to the result you wanted. That’s Science No-No 101.
More puhleeze. First, there's about a dozen different theories and interpretations of quantum mechanics. Second, Schrödinger was conducting a thought experiment, not an experiment. Third, his equation? Heisenberg was first on the ground with matrix mechanics. Feynman extended that. Dirac extended Schrödinger.
And, Cort, how could you say "this wasn't me" on the "cat" post if it wasn't you?
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