tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post6781968651905615554..comments2024-03-13T13:29:33.800-05:00Comments on SocraticGadfly: #Obamiacs leaders of #OWS? Political whores are, tooUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-56256908188515001672011-10-16T11:01:43.715-05:002011-10-16T11:01:43.715-05:00Okay, I think I'm slightly more optimistic abo...Okay, I think I'm slightly more optimistic about this demonstration but <a href="http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2011/10/13/pertinent-questions-regarding-the-websitecampaign-www-15october-net/" rel="nofollow"> has made me nervous</a><br />Although the author is going along with the idea that these demonstrations are "leaderless" However, it seems to me that there isn't so much a leader, as it is an organizer.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223879013564312871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-66823812178423781732011-10-16T01:07:10.064-05:002011-10-16T01:07:10.064-05:00@JM ... Not mad at the "real ppl" at OWS...@JM ... Not mad at the "real ppl" at OWS. But, I've consistently said that Adbusters, IMO, tends to be .. uh, solipsistic, to be polite, and that Anonymous sometimes likes hacker-type action for hacker-type's sake.<br /><br />As for "spinning off into its own thing"? Let's rethink. Per a FB friend of mine, the "general assembly" has said any "list of demands" coming from outside itself doesn't speak for the general assembly. There's that "leaders" vs. "leaderless" again.<br /><br />==<br /><br />@Oh Tarzie: No, your blog post wasn't the only thing I had linked. So, I was "going beyond it," rather than misinterpreting. Not saying you feel that way about Adbusters in particular, but was riffing on some general ideas you mentioned about a certain element of the protesters.<br /><br />As for co-opted? I'm not saying it has been by MoveOn or CAP either, but am noting that's what they're attempting to do. Given what you note, that many of the "everyday protesters" are too willing to believe, still, the myths about Obama, it might not be that hard to co-opt a fair amount of them, though.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-67674636903993885462011-10-16T00:04:25.920-05:002011-10-16T00:04:25.920-05:00Hi there:
I think you may be misinterpreting my p...Hi there:<br /><br />I think you may be misinterpreting my post, which did not suggest that #OWS had been co-opted. Rather it was simply an observation of the kinds of people there and some tendencies they might have.<br /><br />I also have no beef with Adbusters. I was simply noting that one of the founders espoused the hamstrung-by-the-right-wing alibi for Obama, a view shared by several protesters.Oh Tarziehttp://ohtarzie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-10893197009034214272011-10-15T23:39:06.443-05:002011-10-15T23:39:06.443-05:00Hang on, are you mad at OWS here or something else...Hang on, are you mad at OWS here or something else? I know you were skeptical of adbusters,but surely the occupation has spun off into its own thing? And they did have a list of demands at least.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223879013564312871noreply@blogger.com