tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post354819880879384327..comments2024-03-13T13:29:33.800-05:00Comments on SocraticGadfly: #Cardinals a suitor for David Price? Let's start some talk with the #Rays (updated)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-91396949935139660842014-07-09T08:00:42.091-05:002014-07-09T08:00:42.091-05:00First, I don't normally delete comments here, ...First, I don't normally delete comments here, and haven't on this thread. Related to that, are you paranoid? What is it with you Rays fans?<br /><br />Third, I never said Russell wasn't that good. Re the Samardzija trade, many people think it's a long-term overpay by the Rays. Re Price, the fact that the Rays didn't want a trade with him included reinforced the thoughts of many fans, and I'm sure John Mozeliak, that Freeman is being greedy.<br /><br />Have fun getting nothing for him a year from now.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-46443785828200591242014-07-09T01:37:03.772-05:002014-07-09T01:37:03.772-05:00You delete comments you don't want to be seen ...You delete comments you don't want to be seen or what? Every comment here is you responding to a non-existing comment. You show up to hardballtalk, tell everybody to read to your blog, then don't like the responses you get, so you delete the comments, but leave your responses? Journastic integrity running amok here huh?<br /><br />Jeff Samardzija was just traded for the #5 overall prospect in all of baseball. Oakland also included last year's 1st round pick, and a back of the rotation with your favorite, "team control". A top 5 MLB prospect, their 2nd best prospect, and an established starter, plus a PTBNL, which is likely this year's 1st round pick, who can't be traded yet.<br /><br />If you don't believe me about Russel being the #5 overall prospect, here's the link. http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-50-injury-cant-knock-buxton-1/<br /><br />But keep calling me "insane" for saying the Rays would want Seager, Urias, and Pederson from the Dodgers. And I hope this vindicates me, in your eyes, of Lance Lynn and Peter Bourjous not being traded for David Price, a far superior pitcher to Jeff Samardzija.andywilliamsfloridahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870402918805933556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-72742082275602309332014-06-22T01:23:27.415-05:002014-06-22T01:23:27.415-05:00I would disregard everything that guy on NBC said ...I would disregard everything that guy on NBC said after reading his comments. As soon as I read he thought Price was worth Cory Seager, Joc Pederson, and Julio Urias thats when you know he is insane. Maybe if we traded Price and Chris Archer. I see Price worth maybe two top 100's and another probably top 10 prospect within the organization.. However keep in mind that there are people like Marco who are just to young to break the top 100. Also as soon as you start off with untouchables at the minor league level that is when you know you will run into trouble in trades. I consider Taveras at the MLB level there is just no room for him so I am fine with him being untouchable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01960226098075585039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-14214352850043829892014-06-22T01:10:08.985-05:002014-06-22T01:10:08.985-05:00Hell if the Cardinals were going all in why not sh...Hell if the Cardinals were going all in why not shock the world and pull of a Zobrist/Price and get both. Zobrist can spell Wong if he slumps and Zobrist can play anywhere besides catcher. I'd want this more or less so I could tune in to see Price and Zobrist still on the same team :p. <br /><br />And lastly I would not want Lance Lynn personally. Not a fan. Not the guy from NBC just saying. And also I probably value Reyes less than you. I feel being yes he has high potential, arguably the highest in STL system right now but his control makes you wonder if he'll ever get it together. He has two plus pitches right now but the Rays already have a similar prospect Enny Romero in their system. Enny hits 100 miles occasionally but even less occasionally hits the strikezone. And Alex Colome is similar as well (while he might get first crack to take Price's spot because I have lost some faith in Jeremy Hellickson). This leads me to wonder if they would be comfortable acquiring another one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01960226098075585039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-25559919108683077732014-06-22T01:09:38.034-05:002014-06-22T01:09:38.034-05:00Again as I said I highly doubt he goes to the Card...Again as I said I highly doubt he goes to the Cardinals if you had bothered to read that part. As much as I was knocking the trade offer I at least acknowledged that the plausibility is low because the Cardinals have no reason to deal Marco for him because they do not need Price. The Rays think long term and if they do not get an offer that blows them away what is stopping them from holding on to Price until this offseason when a new wave of suitors might enter. Yes, of course his value is more than likely peaking right now but the Rays are not trading Price just to trade Price. They did not trade Kazmir just for the hell of it. They dealt him for someone who appeared to be on the fast track to late inning relief (Alex Torres, now on the Padres, still pitching sub 2.5 ball) and Sean Rodriguez. They didn't deal Garza to deal Garza. They got an ace potential back in Chris Archer (Yes Juries out on him but since struggling his first five games he's pitch 3.05 ball) and Zobrists replacement in Hak-Ju Lee who was well regarded before a ACL tear. And Sam Fuld (as a Rays fan I have to mention him). And Bad Luck Brandon Guyer who looks to have a future in the Rays outfield. A trade for Price will always be there. However, the Cardinals are one of the smartest franchises in baseball and they will not give up Marco for him WHICH I SAID in my previous post that you neglected to read thoroughly. And I said Jay or Bourjous make no sense given the Rays glutton of subpar MLB bats / potential youngsters coming up. The Cardinals are SMART enough to not give up my proposed package. That is why I see him going to a bolder, riskier Franchise such as the Dodgers or Giants. Maybe instead of getting offended you should see that I was praising how the Cardinals run there franchise more than knocking there players. Miller + Reyes is nice but the Rays would need another plus pitcher to move Price without acquiring a bat because outside of Curt Casali (C), Hak-Ju-Lee (SS/2B), and Mahtook (OF) there are not quality bats anywhere close to MLB ready. A younger bat would probably be needed such as Piscotty or Ramsey. It would be hardpressed for me to believe the Rays would deal Price. Miller/Lynn + Piscotty/Ramsey + Reyes would be the max deal I could see the Cards offer. There is no reason for them to offer more. I think it would be smarter if they just get Miller though and let him learn of Adam Wainwright some more. He has ace potential he is just young. <br /><br />Sorry If I came off offensive or obnoxious it is just as a Rays fan the only thing harder than seeing Price leave would be seeing Zobrist leave so I get antsy on the subject. <br /><br />An offer from the Dodgers who like adding big names of Joc Pederson/Cory Seager + Zach Lee seems to beat most of the offers the Cardinals would offer within reason. If I was you I'd not be rooting for a Price trade because I wouldn't want to even think about Marco getting moved. I will say this I WOULD NOT TRADE Miller + Reyes + Marco for Price. I am just saying it is a realistic trading point. The Cardinals give up to much there. <br /><br />I have a second comment.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01960226098075585039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-79688419053373971012014-06-21T23:23:31.172-05:002014-06-21T23:23:31.172-05:00I already answered this (and presumably you, as th...I already answered this (and presumably you, as the comment looks almost exactly the same) on NBC, Tyler. <br /><br />First, I said either Lynn or Miller on the pitching. Second, I said either Jay or Bourjos on the OF. Third, I said Reyes could well be included. I also mentioned Greg Garcia.<br /><br />You need a reality check yourself. <br /><br />First, the Cards are NOT trading Marco Gonzales, period and end of story.<br /><br />Nor is ANYBODY trading three pitchers to get one. Period and end of story. Gonzales + Reyes + Miller is going nowhere; not just the Cards, but the equivalent three pitchers from some other team.<br /><br />Second, the clock is ticking on the Rays and Price, and if YOU will stop being a homer, you'll admit that the closer he gets to free agency, the less the offers get in trade. <br /><br />Third, as for Zobrist, I didn't say it was definite the Rays wouldn't pick up his option, or totally likely. I said that they'd probably try to roll it into a two-year new contract. I also said that 2B is a position where players age relatively early.<br /><br />Please don't tell me you think he's worth 4/75, like one person on NBC said.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-32394644936509355582014-06-21T19:00:02.639-05:002014-06-21T19:00:02.639-05:00What a joke trade offer for Price. Why would the R...What a joke trade offer for Price. Why would the Rays have any interest in a MLB outfielder. We have Kevin Kiermier who looks ready to take over an everyday roll in CF and you know that Will Myers guy. That leaves Desmond Jennings who isn't going anywher because we have an odd obsession with talented underachieving outfielders I.E. Crawford early on and BJ Upton and that still leaves David DeJesus and Mike Mahtook killing it at triple AAA. And this is assuming Joyce is traded. I doubt a backup outfielder is<br />going to be second major piece in a Price trade. Miller has been shaky and Craig and Adams are not a fit. Miller + Marco would be the starting piece. Honestly it is unrealistic though because of the fact the Cardinals do not need Price. Also only insulting every Rays fan ever is even considering the Rays wouldn't pick up Ben Zobrists team option. Zobrist embodies the Rays and is everything they could ever want out of him. Picking up his team option is as much as a no brainer as not letting Matt Joyce hit against lefties. The whole concept of MLB ready talent for price is a wash unless it is a player like Shelby or the Dodgers Joc Pederson who could be a star from day 1. The rays have enough Joe Kellys and Tyler Lyons in our farm system. This article does seem like a Homer article. You should do some research into the Rays system/roster before making offers. The bottom line is Miller + Marco + Reyes would be needed to get Price. Not comfortable with that offer? Well neither would the Cards most likely which is why it makes this trade non-viable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01960226098075585039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-5178760563738398372014-06-05T18:04:09.245-05:002014-06-05T18:04:09.245-05:00I know that.
My point is that because Shields is ...I know that.<br /><br />My point is that because Shields is a free agent <i>after this season,</i> the Cards couldn't give him a QO at all, if they traded for him ... at the end of the season. I know when QOs are made.<br /><br />The point is, because Shields is a free agent <i>after this season,</i> the Cards, or any other team, can't put a QO stamp on his head if they can't come to terms.<br /><br />But, because Price has another full year left after this year, they CAN with him. Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7532871.post-39859960603488847792014-06-05T17:40:14.840-05:002014-06-05T17:40:14.840-05:00Teams cant make qualifying offers mid-seasonTeams cant make qualifying offers mid-seasonAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11014526226798305844noreply@blogger.com